What if they interview Brady and his condition for taking the job is canning Loomis? (1 Viewer)

[JackDiesel]

All these dump Mick threads are wonderful, even if we all know it ain't going to happen.

One fake news story started an avalanche.

 

[3ParStillDriver]

Darnold has had seven offensive coordinators over seven seasons (two in 2021, Joe Brady and Jeff Nixon).

Now, is Vikings OC Wes Phillips a "QB whisperer", who can turn chicken-mess into chicken salad? All of Darnold's improvement came in 2024?

Or did the game come to Darnold over time? And in the meantime, he learned at least something from every coach he worked with?

It won't show in Carolina's Brady year stats (2021) ... but in 2022, Darnold's Yards per Attempt went up a whole two yards and his passer rating went up 21 points. His INT% dropped by 50%.

In Carolina's Joe Brady year, Darnold started off hot for four weeks, including spanking the Saints in week 2. His early 2021 stats looked like his solid 2022 stats -- 8-something yards per attempt (which is very strong) and a passer rating in the mid-90s. Dallas racked up five sacks against Darnold in Wk 4 2021 and then the bottom fell out. Darnold's passer rating the rest of the 2021 season was in the mid-50s. He eventually went on IR with a scapula injury.

Excuse-making speculation: Cam Newton was still on the 2021 Panthers. Newton could've credibly been seen as a threat to Darnold's starting job. I wonder if Darnold hid an injury, maybe suffered against Dallas? His stats really took a nose dive after the Dallas game ... the difference is stark.

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You really dove into it. Your answer about what happened in Dallas is a multitude of things I believe. It’s very possible an injury occured. But I do KNOW is that Dallas exposed a massive hole in the OLine and from then on Carolina became one of the most leaky offensive lines in the NFL and was a massive catalyst for the McCaffery trade that ended up occurring. It was rumored McCaffery didn’t want to run behind that OLine anymore and was just done in Carolina.

And as we saw in this playoff game a few weeks ago when the Rams kept disguising their blitz extremely well, Darnold became deer in the headlights. It seems as if despite his growth, and Kevin O’Connell or Joe Brady, Darnold stinks against pressure.

And in 2022, when you cite Darnalds growth the new coach happened completely revamp the OLine minus RT.

 

[Rouxble]

Burrow. Considering Bridgewater had a career year in Brady

Also, Allen went from averaging 16 ints a season in 23, 22, and 21 and only had 6 this year and credits Joe Brady. That’s also a hole you cannot ignore. Burrow also credits Joe Brady to his growth.

I’ll believe what those two’s opinions are on Brady over yours any day and every day.

You keep talking about a career year, is 15 TD’s and 11 INT’s really something to brag about on an OC’s resume? Compared to the career year O’Connell was able to get out of Darnold?

And which Carolina season had an average offense, the one that ranked 24th in points or the one that ranked 29th? Even the offense that got PC fired was 10th in points.

 

[3ParStillDriver]

You keep talking about a career year, is 15 TD’s and 11 INT’s really something to brag about on an OC’s resume? Compared to the career year O’Connell was able to get out of Darnold?

And which Carolina season had an average offense, the one that ranked 24th in points or the one that ranked 29th? Even the offense that got PC fired was 10th in points.

Meh. His first year with Bridgewater they were 21st ranked offense all together. Right there enough to be considered average. And he did it with an entire roster of guys who couldn’t crack starting on nearly any other team (except Moore) like I said. There’s nothing remotely appropriate about looking at that lack of talent that Rhule assembled and saying Brady did a bad job with it. It’s a bigger wonder why they weren’t last in offense.

And let’s also not pretend their only offensive star didn’t go out for the season in the first few games.

 

[Doug B]

You keep talking about a career year, is 15 TD’s and 11 INT’s really something to brag about on an OC’s resume? Compared to the career year O’Connell was able to get out of Darnold?

It's about maximizing what you have, not turning a one-legged Bridgewater into a star.

 

[Doug B]

And [Brady] did it with an entire roster of guys who couldn’t crack starting on nearly any other team like I said.

I actually liked some of the Panthers talent (as role players) on offense that year ... BUT:

1) The best receiving success rate of any of their WRs was #3 receiver Curtis Samuel at 53.6% (84th in the NFL in 2020). That offense really, really needed a true #1 guy that could reel in a steady-Eddie 60-something % success rate.

2) They got zip out of the tight end position - their leading TE caught 20 balls for 145 yards on the season.

 

[texasjefe]

I’m sorry but this doesn’t make sense. You should dig deeper into what happened in Carolina.

What is the holy datapoint I am missing? And might it have been a learning experience for Brady?

I really don't care about Brady in Carolina.

 

[RJS]

It's about maximizing what you have, not turning a one-legged Bridgewater into a star.

Bridgewater clearly didn't think that happened and reportedly one of the reasons he went to Carolina was to reunite with Brady:

"As an organization there's things you can do better," Bridgewater said. "I'll just say this, for Joe Brady's growth, that organization, they'll have to practice different things in different ways. One thing we didn't do much of when I was there, we didn't practice two minutes, really. We didn't practice red zone. You walk through the red zone stuff and then Saturday, you come out and practice red zone, but you'd only get like 15 live reps. Guys' reps would be limited."

 

[Doug B]

Bridgewater clearly didn't think that happened and reportedly one of the reasons he went to Carolina was to reunite with Brady:

"As an organization there's things you can do better," Bridgewater said. "I'll just say this, for Joe Brady's growth, that organization, they'll have to practice different things in different ways. One thing we didn't do much of when I was there, we didn't practice two minutes, really. We didn't practice red zone. You walk through the red zone stuff and then Saturday, you come out and practice red zone, but you'd only get like 15 live reps. Guys' reps would be limited."

I can't speak to that kind of stuff. Not saying that Bridgewater is wrong -- he was there, after all. But I don't know if the practice schedule was a Matt Rhule thing or a Joe Brady thing. I don't know if Brady introduced too many concepts too quickly and had to spend a lot of practice on just getting the calls and schemes down.

In hindsight, I'm sure Brady thought over the 2020 season and did some self-scouting. I'm sure he would concede there were plenty of things he could've done better. And that's OK -- that doesn't mean his 2020 season was a dumpster fire.

 

[3ParStillDriver]

Bridgewater clearly didn't think that happened and reportedly one of the reasons he went to Carolina was to reunite with Brady:

"As an organization there's things you can do better," Bridgewater said. "I'll just say this, for Joe Brady's growth, that organization, they'll have to practice different things in different ways. One thing we didn't do much of when I was there, we didn't practice two minutes, really. We didn't practice red zone. You walk through the red zone stuff and then Saturday, you come out and practice red zone, but you'd only get like 15 live reps. Guys' reps would be limited."

Yes. Keep digging. You discover Brady ritually practiced redzone at LSU and at Buffalo. Then you find Matt Rhule talking about it, defending it and even justifying it. It begins to paint the picture that the head coach had a practice philosophy that Joe Brady was following. Likely at the direction of the head coach.

But it’s unreasonable to think Brady practiced redzone ritually at everywhere else but this one place he thought “na, that’s a bad idea”.

Especially when it’s well documented he preached at LSU and Buffalo the importance of redzone.

Of course, we’re beginning to speculate. But it does paint a picture that shouldn’t be ignored which is likely why Buffalo brought him in who’s been a superbowl contender and Matt Rhule had to drop not just back to college football but could t even land with a college anywhere close to being ranked.

 

[RJS]

I can't speak to that kind of stuff. Not saying that Bridgewater is wrong -- he was there, after all. But I don't know if the practice schedule was a Matt Rhule thing or a Joe Brady thing. I don't know if Brady introduced too many concepts too quickly and had to spend a lot of practice on just getting the calls and schemes down.

In hindsight, I'm sure Brady thought over the 2020 season and did some self-scouting. I'm sure he would concede there were plenty of things he could've done better. And that's OK -- that doesn't mean his 2020 season was a dumpster fire.

I agree completely and I'm open to Brady as a solid HC choice. I also think that these are the types of things that will get vetted in the hiring process.

 

[No2DC]

Burrow. Considering Bridgewater had a career year in Brady

Also, Allen went from averaging 16 ints a season in 23, 22, and 21 and only had 6 this year and credits Joe Brady. That’s also a hole you cannot ignore. Burrow also credits Joe Brady to his growth.

I’ll believe what those two’s opinions are on Brady over yours any day and every day.

I still question his leadership ability as an unknown head coach. That can be said with Moore or Johnson. I don't care how you try to twist it; he worked with Burrow, Teddy, two gloves, and Allen. None of those guys are questionable talents. Finally, to be clear, I am not questioning his offensive knowledge. He might be the next McVay, but I don't see the more with less evidence that Payton demonstrated with Romo.

 

[St. Widge]

Yes. Keep digging. You discover Brady ritually practiced redzone at LSU and at Buffalo. Then you find Matt Rhule talking about it, defending it and even justifying it. It begins to paint the picture that the head coach had a practice philosophy that Joe Brady was following. Likely at the direction of the head coach.

But it’s unreasonable to think Brady practiced redzone ritually at everywhere else but this one place he thought “na, that’s a bad idea”.

Especially when it’s well documented he preached at LSU and Buffalo the importance of redzone.

Of course, we’re beginning to speculate. But it does paint a picture that shouldn’t be ignored which is likely why Buffalo brought him in who’s been a superbowl contender and Matt Rhule had to drop not just back to college football but could t even land with a college anywhere close to being ranked.

Where are you getting this information that Brady "ritually" practiced red zone at LSU and Buffalo?

And FWIW, college coaches get a lot more time to practice and run situational stuff than NFL coaches who are restrained by the rule of the CBA. One of the skills a HC needs is the ability to organize practices, both offseason and in season, in the most efficient way in spite of the limitations put on them by the CBA.

 

[TooDopeGoldRope]

No other team wants Joe Brady. He's not in a position to be making such demands.

For our sake, I hope he does, because I don't think he's HC material in the slightest.

I think we need to rethink this if it is true.

Sean signed an extension then abruptly retired and wanted to be traded.

AG wanted in but wanted Loomis gone.

Coaches talk and Loomis might have a real bad rap among coaches.