Question What More Must Taysom Hill Do Before He Retires To Be Considered An NFL Hall Of Fame Player? (1 Viewer)

[GeneHansen]

I'm not sure I agree with the logic of not voting for someone because other people COULD HAVE done what they do even if they didn't. There are a lot of QBs from the 80s that COULD HAVE put up Brady/Brees number if they had played in this era, but they didn't, so should we eliminate Brady/Brees from consideration? I could've been better than Ricky Jackson if my mom wasn't afraid I was gonna get hurt and made stop playing after Jr High, so does that mean you didn't vote for City Champ? Of course I'm exaggerating to make a point. Sure, those guys could have done it but you make it to the HOF for what you DID. TH7 has done it.

But in order for Taysom to get into the HOF a lot of it has to be based on the speculation that it is because "he can do what no one else can do" because he doesn't have the stats to justify getting in on sheer numbers.

If I'm a HOF voter, and the premise is "he can do what no one else can do"... I'm going to start to wonder if anyone could have done what Taysom has done. When I start to think about it, it seems like there are a lot of big athletic QB who could have been similar "joker/slash" players had they either not become a starting QB or been in a situation to utilize their unique combination of skills.

I'm not knocking Taysom. I love the guy.

 

[SWJJ]

He did have Dave Krieg for a season or two, didn't he? I wouldn't categorize Krieg or what he achieved over his nearly two-decade long career as mediocre. I agree with you for the most part on the others, but Dave Krieg has to be one of the biggest overachievers at QB in NFL history, he went to three Pro Bowls in Seattle in his 12 seasons there, was their franchise's all-time leader in wins, career TD's and passing yards until Matt Hasselback and Russell Wilson showed up in the 21st century. Sure, he got sacked a lot and had a bit of a fumbling problem but being that he had small hands and that some of his O-lines during the 1980's werent the best, you'd likely get nailed too quite a bit.

I have always had a preference for overachievers, not just in sports but life in general. Their work ethic, attitude and determination and focus is usually 4-5x higher than those around then with more natural, professional skills in business but don't always apply themselves fully. I believe God put overachievers on this planet to remind or warn those of us with higher IQ's, intellegence, natural capabilities and overall skill sets to not slack off or be complacent and apply themselves accordingly.

Dave Krieg was one such person and although he never played a down for New Orleans, I've always liked him and had a deep, admired respect for him as a player and Seattle Seahawks were very lucky to have him as their starting QB for nearly a decade.

I also put Rod Smith of Denver and our very own Marques Colston in the same category and part of me strongly believes that if Colston had finished his career with 1,500-2,000 more receiving yards, he might fall into that "borderline Hall of Famer" category list.

Kraig was washed when he got to KC. He was 34 when he got there in '92 and while KC had a good year and went 10-6 Kraig had like a 50-something% completion rate and throw about as many ints as tds.

He was one of the outmatched in the playoff game QBs. They got shut out by the Stan Humphries Chargers, Kraig had a sub 50% completion rate, got sacked 7 times and threw 0 TDs and 2 Ints.

His poor play is why they went and got Joe Montana. In 93 Montana was the starter, and Kraig got to play a handful of games while Montana was injured.

 

[St. Widge]

I'm not sure I agree with the logic of not voting for someone because other people COULD HAVE done what they do even if they didn't. There are a lot of QBs from the 80s that COULD HAVE put up Brady/Brees number if they had played in this era, but they didn't, so should we eliminate Brady/Brees from consideration? I could've been better than Ricky Jackson if my mom wasn't afraid I was gonna get hurt and made me stop playing after Jr High, so does that mean you didn't vote for City Champ? Of course I'm exaggerating to make a point. Sure, those guys could have done it but you make it to the HOF for what you DID. TH7 has done it.

Is this supposed to be an argument for or against Hill getting into the HoF? Because it looks like an argument against it. Had he been switched to his current role 5 or 6 years ago maybe he would have put up the numbers necessary and gotten the awards necessary to get into the HoF, but that didn't happen. He's a great all around player, but he hasn't put up good enough numbers in any category or gotten any major awards (MVP, SB MVP, etc.) to really get HoF consideration.

Getting into the HoF is a high bar. The truth is that had Brees not won a Super Bowl, there would be some question of whether he gets in. I think he would have gotten in on the strength of his numbers, but there would have been a discussion. And the best defensive player we have had since Rickey Jackson, Cam Jordan, might not get in due to a lack of SB wins.

 

[Covington Saint]

But in order for Taysom to get into the HOF a lot of it has to be based on the speculation that it is because "he can do what no one else can do" because he doesn't have the stats to justify getting in on sheer numbers.

If I'm a HOF voter, and the premise is "he can do what no one else can do"... I'm going to start to wonder if anyone could have done what Taysom has done. When I start to think about it, it seems like there are a lot of big athletic QB who could have been similar "joker/slash" players had they either not become a starting QB or been in a situation to utilize their unique combination of skills.

I'm not knocking Taysom. I love the guy.

No QB ever could do all the things Taysom can do. Taysom's power. Taysom's speed. Taysom's arm. Taysom's violence. Taysom blocking. Taysom at Fullback. Taysom at running back. Taysom at tight end receiving. Taysom at tight end blocking the biggest guys on defense. Taysom as a wide receiver. Taysom as a wildcat qb. Taysom at all the special teams roles they've utilized him over the years. Nothing close has ever been done at the broad spectrum taysom has done it.

 

[Saintman2884]

Kraig was washed when he got to KC. He was 34 when he got there in '92 and while KC had a good year and went 10-6 Kraig had like a 50-something% completion rate and throw about as many ints as tds.

He was one of the outmatched in the playoff game QBs. They got shut out by the Stan Humphries Chargers, Kraig had a sub 50% completion rate, got sacked 7 times and threw 0 TDs and 2 Ints.

His poor play is why they went and got Joe Montana. In 93 Montana was the starter, and Kraig got to play a handful of games while Montana was injured.

But you wouldn't classify his career as being mediocre? He was a 3x Pro Bowl.on some very good, competitive 1980's Seahawks teams who happened to be a very good team stuck in a ultra-tough, extremely competitive and difficult AFC West who's two best teams, Denver Broncos and Oakland/L.A. Raiders made 5 SB appearances and two SB wins throughout the 1980's. Odd how that seems strangely similar to our predicament in the old NFC West in the 1980's and early 90's in same division with the reigning 49ers Dynasty and a very good, mostly competitive old L.A. Rams teams in Anaheim of the same time period. From 1980-89, Rams made the post-season 7 times and appeared in two NFCCG's while 49ers won 4 Super Bowls.

Krieg was also a bit of what we now call a "streaky QB", especially by his mid-late 30's, where he has 2-3 very good/great games, maybe 4-5 decent/iffy games and the rest is below-average/awful. He obviously showed some tendencies related to that problem in Seattle, but once his career reached its third act, it became a lot more apparent and common place once he arrived in Kansas City, then Detroit, and Chicago.

 

[SWJJ]

But you wouldn't classify his career as being mediocre? He was a 3x Pro Bowl.on some very good, competitive 1980's Seahawks teams who happened to be a very good team stuck in a ultra-tough, extremely competitive and difficult AFC West who's two best teams, Denver Broncos and Oakland/L.A. Raiders made 5 SB appearances and two SB wins throughout the 1980's. Odd how that seems strangely similar to our predicament in the old NFC West in the 1980's and early 90's in same division with the reigning 49ers Dynasty and a very good, mostly competitive old L.A. Rams teams in Anaheim of the same time period. From 1980-89, Rams made the post-season 7 times and appeared in two NFCCG's while 49ers won 4 Super Bowls.

Krieg was also a bit of what we now call a "streaky QB", especially by his mid-late 30's, where he has 2-3 very good/great games, maybe 4-5 decent/iffy games and the rest is below-average/awful. He obviously showed some tendencies related to that problem in Seattle, but once his career reached its third act, it became a lot more apparent and common place once he arrived in Kansas City, then Detroit, and Chicago.

I wouldn't call his career Mediocre, but I would call his play in KC mediocre to poor. Especially his post season performance.

 

[CajunSaint08]

What accomplishments?? The highest accolades you can get in the NFL are as follows: MVP, DPOY, All Pro, and the Pro Bowl. TH has NONE of these. None!!!


To even put TH name up with Tiger, Deon, Farve, Manning, Brady, and Michael Jordan is embarrassing. I'm wondering if this is satire. If you're serious you need to seriously stop drinking the Kool-Aid.

We all love TH but he's a jack of all trades, master of none. Oh and he lost his starting QB job.

He's not even and has never been the best offensive player on any team he's ever been on and you speak his name with the likes of Tom Brady???

Come on guys this is just wayyyy too much.

What accomplishments you ask? Obviously you did not read the OP's post. But all one has to do is watch Taysom Hill play to know he is usually the best player on the field. You say Jack of all trades, master of none. I say Jack of all trades, Master of many. I don't think you are truly a Saint's fan to not see how special Taysom has been for the Saints. And the job he is doing this year has been his best yet.

 

[WhoDat?DrewDat]

What accomplishments you ask? Obviously you did not read the OP's post. But all one has to do is watch Taysom Hill play to know he is usually the best player on the field. You say Jack of all trades, master of none. I say Jack of all trades, Master of many. I don't think you are truly a Saint's fan to not see how special Taysom has been for the Saints. And the job he is doing this year has been his best yet.

Those accomplishments dont hold weight for the HOF.

Get off your high horse trying to gatekeep saints fandom. Cringe dude.

We all love TH and think he's a special, unique player but that doesn't make him a HOFer. Especially in the NFL where is really difficult.

 

[Judge_Smails]

What accomplishments you ask? Obviously you did not read the OP's post. But all one has to do is watch Taysom Hill play to know he is usually the best player on the field. You say Jack of all trades, master of none. I say Jack of all trades, Master of many. I don't think you are truly a Saint's fan to not see how special Taysom has been for the Saints. And the job he is doing this year has been his best yet.

So if someone doesn’t agree with you, they’re not “truly a Saints fan”?

Hill is our unicorn and he’s awesome, but a lotta people been bigger Saints fans than you since before Hill picked up a football.

 

[ilvdsnts]

But in order for Taysom to get into the HOF a lot of it has to be based on the speculation that it is because "he can do what no one else can do" because he doesn't have the stats to justify getting in on sheer numbers.

If I'm a HOF voter, and the premise is "he can do what no one else can do"... I'm going to start to wonder if anyone could have done what Taysom has done. When I start to think about it, it seems like there are a lot of big athletic QB who could have been similar "joker/slash" players had they either not become a starting QB or been in a situation to utilize their unique combination of skills.

I'm not knocking Taysom. I love the guy.

But that is NOT the premise. The premise is he HAS DONE what only 1 other has done. Frank Gifford.

 

[2024InjuryApocalypse]

I will put everyone on notice.
Taysom will be a first ballot HoF five years after he retires!
I know many of you will think it’s not happening but for the biggest reason possible he will be a she in! It’s how he affects the game from a defense point of view. There have been many great players that defenses have to game plan for, WR, RB, great QB but only one that has defenses disturbed completely when he is in the game.

All of the stats mentioned above will aid his trip there but there is no other player that gets the attention throughout the league then Taysome Hill.

He will be accepted not by position as the norm but as a complete football player! A special place for him and his Bust!

I will be willing to bet significant amounts of $ he will not be inducted to Canton five years after he retires (I'd be willing to bet he never gets inducted period). But no betting outlet would take my $ on this bet b/c it's not even a debate anywhere except among people on this forum.

Saints HOF? Yeah, he gets in there for sure. He's not getting to Canton no matter how many people on this forum desperately wish for it to happen. You need national support to be elected into the HOF. Is there any place other than Saints Report that people have gone out there and said he will get into Canton?

And if any other NFL team thought of him as a future HOFer, they would have tried to acquire him at the trading deadline this year.

 

[2024InjuryApocalypse]

So if someone doesn’t agree with you, they’re not “truly a Saints fan”?

Hill is our unicorn and he’s awesome, but a lotta people been bigger Saints fans than you since before Hill picked up a football.

It's not enough for the Taysom cultists for you, me or anyone else to say Taysom is a fun, unique player who will make the Saints Hall of Fame one day. You must think he's one of the greatest of all time and belongs in Canton or you're not a true Saints fan. Any suggestion he is not perfection in a football uniform, that he wouldn't have turned into the next Steve Young at QB if we'd only given him more starts, that he falls short of Canton, that is sacrilege and you must be put in your place.

 

[St4ever]

I will be willing to bet significant amounts of $ he will not be inducted to Canton five years after he retires (I'd be willing to bet he never gets inducted period). But no betting outlet would take my $ on this bet b/c it's not even a debate anywhere except among people on this forum.

Saints HOF? Yeah, he gets in there for sure. He's not getting to Canton no matter how many people on this forum desperately wish for it to happen. You need national support to be elected into the HOF. Is there any place other than Saints Report that people have gone out there and said he will get into Canton?

And if any other NFL team thought of him as a future HOFer, they would have tried to acquire him at the trading deadline this year.

Only time will tell who is right.

 

[2024InjuryApocalypse]

Only time will tell who is right.

True, but I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is on this one. If the apps ever give me an option to bet "Taysom Hill will NOT be a 1st ballot NFL Hall of Famer," I'll be all over it.