Why are people down on rattler ?! (6 Viewers)

[St. Widge]

They say that, but even in college he seemed to rely on his big receivers and jump balls, planned ones not, 50/50 balls. Letting At Perry go was a stupid move. Yes, stupid. At Perry is that guy for cheap too.

We need a big receiver, but Shaheed is an elite deep threat and this isn't college. NFL DBs are just too good at playing the ball in the air to depend on just throwing up jump balls deep. And Rattler had little choice in college since he didn't have a ral speed receiver and his OL didn't give him time to do much else.

As far as Perry, the only things he does well are catch jump balls,and that's only because he's so tall, and finding soft spots in the zone on broken plays. He runs terrible routes, seldom seems to be giving full effort, and has issues learning the playbook. There is a reason 31 teams passed on claiming him off waivers. But at this point we don't have anything else so sure, sign him off the Broncos practice squad.

 

[Rexman100]

He is really raw at this point, and JT noted this from his preseason film. He has potential, but nothing that would lead me to pass on one of the top guys in this year's draft. He needs to sit for at least a year, and you see why he slid to 5th.

He’s raw but he has traits that can’t be taught. The moment isn’t too big for him. He’s one of those kids in 8th grade probabaly playing varsity lol. That and scrambling ability and pocket feel. However, they are literally feeding him to the lions. It wasn’t the Saints’ fault, but they literally sent him out there with an extremely battered online, no running game, and NO WR’s. He had 2 TE’s, AK, and two rookie tackles. Freaking Really? I’m not making excuses, because I just look at the wanting the best player in the game, nothing else.

 

[St. Widge]

1/20 chance to win and a 1/400 chance at a starting qb vs 1/6.66 win chance and 1/400 chance at a starting qb.... yeah makes sense....... and you still draft qb if we get a chance.

And that's why you have to find out how good Rattler is. Frankly, none of the QBs in this draft are great prospects with the possible exception of Cam Ward. It's slim pickings at QB this year. They should take BPA and not force a QB in a bad year for QBs.

 

[Elvis]

And that's why you have to find out how good Rattler is. Frankly, none of the QBs in this draft are great prospects with the possible exception of Cam Ward. It's slim pickings at QB this year. They should take BPA and not force a QB in a bad year for QBs.

They should still take a late rounder if they don't think they have a future starter in the building. I'd love to get the next Brady or even a Dak. That said, that is why I want to see Rattler and Rattler only while Carr is injured.

 

[Rexman100]

We need a big receiver, but Shaheed is an elite deep threat and this isn't college. NFL DBs are just too good at playing the ball in the air to depend on just throwing up jump balls deep. And Rattler had little choice in college since he didn't have a ral speed receiver and his OL didn't give him time to do much else.

As far as Perry, the only things he does well are catch jump balls,and that's only because he's so tall, and finding soft spots in the zone on broken plays. He runs terrible routes, seldom seems to be giving full effort, and has issues learning the playbook. There is a reason 31 teams passed on claiming him off waivers. But at this point we don't have anything else so sure, sign him off the Broncos practice squad.

Rattler will play on script most of the time, short accurate passes, mix in some runs, then he scrambles for a few to extend the drive. Rinse and repeat. But unfortunately things go off script due to injuries and Ratt has to put up some questionable balls from time to time, which he needs his WRs to bail him out. Without good jump ball WRs, Ratts deep ball accuracy has to be perfect. And considering he was pressured 45% of the time, he can’t be perfect. I’ll edit his WRs to, one take the top off the D Wr and two MT jump balls types. I agree, every team needs a deep threat

 

[St. Widge]

Rattler will play on script most of the time, short accurate passes, mix in some runs, then he scrambles for a few to extend the drive. Rinse and repeat. But unfortunately things go off script due to injuries and Ratt has to put up some questionable balls from time to time, which he needs his WRs to bail him out. Without good jump ball WRs, Ratts deep ball accuracy has to be perfect. And considering he was pressured 45% of the time, he can’t be perfect. I’ll edit his WRs to, one take the top off the D Wr and two MT jump balls types. I agree, every team needs a deep threat

I mean sure, but he's a rookie and has to learn all that. Plus, I'm trying to project forward to a time when we fix the OL. Anyway, we certainly need some contested catch guys, but that' likely going to have to wait until next year.

 

[kcirdor]

And that's why you have to find out how good Rattler is. Frankly, none of the QBs in this draft are great prospects with the possible exception of Cam Ward. It's slim pickings at QB this year. They should take BPA and not force a QB in a bad year for QBs.

No that is why you find out what you have in Haener. You just don't know yet. QBs don't need to be all that in their rookie year....We don't need to see a rookie struggle to see the blitz with no protection. Let him develop. Just let them develop in practice. Haener has a year of NFL practice behind him. He is more ready to go now than it is to mail it in this season.

You still draft a QB every season. Stop trading away picks and Draft a QB every SEASON until you find someone. It doesn't matter what round they come in.

 

[Rexman100]

And that's why you have to find out how good Rattler is. Frankly, none of the QBs in this draft are great prospects with the possible exception of Cam Ward. It's slim pickings at QB this year. They should take BPA and not force a QB in a bad year for QBs.

Carson Beck and Nussmeier. But I’d rather try and build behind Ratt. He’s fearless and that can’t be taunt it’s in the DNA.

 

[Rexman100]

I mean sure, but he's a rookie and has to learn all that. Plus, I'm trying to project forward to a time when we fix the OL. Anyway, we certainly need some contested catch guys, but that' likely going to have to wait until next year.

We don’t know what the Saints are actually going to do. But IF they intend to rebuild in a short time frame they are going to have to eat a ton of dead money and get better on the cheap. They’ll need AT Perry types to do so. (Maybe there’s more to the At Perry situation that we don’t know. I always thought his demeanor seemed off a little,). If somehow we retain the same offensive coaches, I’d like to see a full season offseason with all of the Olineman that we have and the ones picked up in FA. That way we could field a solid OLine with quality depth. Instead of having just 5 elite guys that know the system we’ll have 10 guys that do.

 

[NatureBoy]

You know it’s a rough season when after 7 games fans are arguing over which back up QB you want to see get killed behind this horrific OL.

 

[zeek55]

it’s simple
1.) haener ceiling is mini chase daniel (limited arm strength he can’t get past the game manager role, he is no Alex smith who is elite game manager)

2.) rattler ceiling is above average qb , possibly better than Russel Wilson in prime if has good oline and receivers and tight end ; have to start developing him now and give him as much experience as possible , give him rest of year and see what you got

 

[SigFreudianSlip]

We don’t know what the Saints are actually going to do. But IF they intend to rebuild in a short time frame they are going to have to eat a ton of dead money and get better on the cheap. They’ll need AT Perry types to do so. (Maybe there’s more to the At Perry situation that we don’t know. I always thought his demeanor seemed off a little,). If somehow we retain the same offensive coaches, I’d like to see a full season offseason with all of the Olineman that we have and the ones picked up in FA. That way we could field a solid OLine with quality depth. Instead of having just 5 elite guys that know the system we’ll have 10 guys that do.

Totally agree on Perry. There were reports of attitude before we drafted him and he always seems melancholy/off to me too. Idk, I’m still a fan.

it’s simple
1.) haener ceiling is mini chase daniel (limited arm strength he can’t get past the game manager role, he is no Alex smith who is elite game manager)

2.) rattler ceiling is above average qb , possibly better than Russel Wilson in prime if has good oline and receivers and tight end ; have to start developing him now and give him as much experience as possible , give him rest of year and see what you got

Simple to you maybe.
I’ve watched Rattler going back to his Oklahoma days, he’s a turnover machine. Maybe he can get that figured out in the future, and I’m not judging him at all based on these last two games with a decimated team.

I also don’t think Jake is the future. Hope to be wrong on one of em, rooting for em both.

 

[BoNcHiE]

it’s simple
1.) haener ceiling is mini chase daniel (limited arm strength he can’t get past the game manager role, he is no Alex smith who is elite game manager)

2.) rattler ceiling is above average qb , possibly better than Russel Wilson in prime if has good oline and receivers and tight end ; have to start developing him now and give him as much experience as possible , give him rest of year and see what you got

What gives Rattler, a 5th-round pick, the ceiling of an above-average NFL QB? It's not like he's a physical freak. He's undersized with average speed.

I'm not definitively saying he can't be a good QB in the NFL, but people act like he was a 1st or 2nd round pick when projecting his talent. He has to earn that kind of hype.

 

[emstokes54]

He is just not ready ppl were hella delusional. Carr was the best chance to win as much as some hated it was the truth

 

[St. Widge]

No that is why you find out what you have in Haener. You just don't know yet. QBs don't need to be all that in their rookie year....We don't need to see a rookie struggle to see the blitz with no protection. Let him develop. Just let them develop in practice. Haener has a year of NFL practice behind him. He is more ready to go now than it is to mail it in this season.

You still draft a QB every season. Stop trading away picks and Draft a QB every SEASON until you find someone. It doesn't matter what round they come in.

I guess it comes down to me thinking we know what Haener is and it's that he's not going to be the level of starting QB we need long term. But, you disagree and that's cool. Like I said, I don't have an issue giving Haener a start because I'm not sure how much good this is really doing Rattler at this point. But, I would like to see what he can do with 10 days to adjust and figure out his issues.

Anyway, yes you should take a QB every year until you have your franchise QB. But I don't think this is the year to take one in the 1st round if we end up drafting top 10 or top 5. If we end up in the middle or later it might be good value, but I don't see us picking that low at this point. And taking one EVERY year may be a bit much since he takes most guys into their second year to really know what they are. But if the right guy is there, sure, take him even if you have a guy you think might be the guy. If both end up being good, you can always trade the other one and likely for a more than you spent to draft him.