Why C.J. Stroud is a better pick than Bryce Young. (1 Viewer)

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saint_drago said:
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Yeah I get it with Stroud. if you understand what this test is then yeah, not great. But to say he isn't going to be successful because he went to Ohio State, I have never understood that argument. LSU didn't produce all world NFL QBs until they did. Guys like Burrow are super rare and no college is pumping out All Pro QBs on a yearly basis. Oh yeah, Burrow went to Ohio State too though.

But anyway, I don't care where you went to school, scoring a straight up 18 on the S2 cognition test is cause for pause. I'll go with Young based on those scores. Damn the size. I'll take my chances with the lil fella.
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Yeah the school thing is odd.
 
saint_drago said:
This is a quote for that Yahoo link...



Yeah I get it with Stroud. if you understand what this test is then yeah, not great. But to say he isn't going to be successful because he went to Ohio State, I have never understood that argument. LSU didn't produce all world NFL QBs until they did. Guys like Burrow are super rare and no college is pumping out All Pro QBs on a yearly basis. Oh yeah, Burrow went to Ohio State too though.

But anyway, I don't care where you went to school, scoring a straight up 18 on the S2 cognition test is cause for pause. I'll go with Young based on those scores. Damn the size. I'll take my chances with the lil fella.
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Yeah, helmet scouting is lazy and calling the kid a bust makes me doubt the credibility of the source.
 
liveoakh said:
I just have a gut feeling Young will be Tua and Sam Bradford rolled into one. It is not just his height, he has a slight build, that will be hard to keep weight on.
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Sam Bradford, IMHO, while certainly a disappointment, was not a complete and total bust that some draftniks, NFL analysts, and commentators infer him to be today. Let's keep in mind he was drafted by an awful, terrible St. Louis Rams team and there were several seasons, even under Mr. 7-9 Jeff Fisher, where he looked good and appeared like a solid NFL starter. He just never had or wasnt as lucky as Kirk Cousins to be surrounded by decent-to-good O-lines in Washington and in Minnesota and outstanding, Pro-Bowl WR and RB corps. Give Sam Bradford maybe 60-70% of same talent on those Rams teams from 2009, 2012-14, that Cousins has been lucky to have on both of the teams he's played for, and it's possible he takes St. Louis to the post-season a few times, and God forbid, maybe St. Louis doesn't lose its second NFL franchise in less than 30 years in 2016.
 
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DerrickB said:
Young can succeed as an NFL passer, but it will depend solely on how Carolina builds around him. They have to do a better job of building a better overall team than they did with Cam Newton—my two cents.
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Some of the NFL officiating crews didn't exactly give Newton any favors, either when it came to not always throwing flags on opposing D-linemen, LB's, or DB's like roughing-the-passer or unsportsmanlike conduct penalties when they hit Newton late or made helmet-to-helmet contact when he scrambled sometimes. I'm certainly no Panthers fan but I always found it very amusing and strange that quite a few refs didn't always call the same roughing-the-passer calls in-games involving Newton that they 99.9% of the time did for Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger, or Aaron Rodgers. I mean, I know Newton could be an annoying, egotistical showboat whose antics could irk, or bother maybe some higher-ranking NFL executives or his temper-tantrums that got him labeled as a sore loser. Newton even complained about it publicly nunerous times that officiating crews seemed to hold different standards about throwing penalties on him against him than other mobile, scrambling QB's. I mean, it's not like Roger Goodell is incapable of holding grudges and letting that, informally slip down into how it effects his treatment towards certain players, teams, or owners.
 
Show me the last Bama QB that was successful (Jalen Hurts 1 year wonder doesn't count)

Young was on a team full of superstars, he wont have that getting picked top of the draft
 
Nonreg said:
Show me the last Bama QB that was successful (Jalen Hurts 1 year wonder doesn't count)

Young was on a team full of superstars, he wont have that getting picked top of the draft
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Some NFL fans or NCAAF fans wouldn't consider Hurts a true-Bama alumni QB especially considering he played for Saban for like two years and didnt leave on the best of terms as Tua had taken over as starting QB for 2019 season and Hurts remained in Saban's dog house. When he went to Oklahoma, he went to a school and a HC that actually took some time to teach him better, smarter solid fundamentals and how to more effectively read opposing defenses. The best thing that Jalen Hurts ever did for himself, and in pursuance of improving his future NFL success was leaving Alabama. I have serious doubts he ends up anywhere near the same position he is now as Eagles starting QB who just signed a monster, long-term contract.

The last Alabama alumnist who actually had a halfway decent NFL career was Richard Todd with the New York Jets of the late 70's/early 80's and when it came to his playoff performances, like with Jets in 1981 and in the 1982 AFCCG at Miami, well, let's just say, his poor showings were highly instrumental in New York losing both seasons. He threw 3 INT's to A.J. Dune alone in that water-soaked field (Many Jets fans and players on that 1982 team have long believed that Don Shula either told or secretly instructed the Orange Bowl field-crew to deliberately leave the tarps off the field in the few days before the game as severe thunderstorms came through Miami area and left the grass field watered-down and stunted Jets potent passing game.)
 
Saintman2884 said:
Some of the NFL officiating crews didn't exactly give Newton any favors, either when it came to not always throwing flags on opposing D-linemen, LB's, or DB's like roughing-the-passer or unsportsmanlike conduct penalties when they hit Newton late or made helmet-to-helmet contact when he scrambled sometimes. I'm certainly no Panthers fan but I always found it very amusing and strange that quite a few refs didn't always call the same roughing-the-passer calls in-games involving Newton that they 99.9% of the time did for Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger, or Aaron Rodgers. I mean, I know Newton could be an annoying, egotistical showboat whose antics could irk, or bother maybe some higher-ranking NFL executives or his temper-tantrums that got him labeled as a sore loser. Newton even complained about it publicly nunerous times that officiating crews seemed to hold different standards about throwing penalties on him against him than other mobile, scrambling QB's. I mean, it's not like Roger Goodell is incapable of holding grudges and letting that, informally slip down into how it effects his treatment towards certain players, teams, or owners.
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Refs view QBs as RBs when they are outside the pocket. They don't have the same protection of a defenseless passer when they are threatening to run. As they should, can you imagine how difficult Taysom Hill would be to bring down if you couldn't hit his helmet when he's trucking DBs.
 
saint_drago said:
This is a quote for that Yahoo link...



Yeah I get it with Stroud. if you understand what this test is then yeah, not great. But to say he isn't going to be successful because he went to Ohio State, I have never understood that argument. LSU didn't produce all world NFL QBs until they did. Guys like Burrow are super rare and no college is pumping out All Pro QBs on a yearly basis. Oh yeah, Burrow went to Ohio State too though.

But anyway, I don't care where you went to school, scoring a straight up 18 on the S2 cognition test is cause for pause. I'll go with Young based on those scores. Damn the size. I'll take my chances with the lil fella.
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Unless you're absolutely sold on Stroud with everything else I can't see taking him over Young with a differential in scores there like that and probability that it matters.
 
CRESS_137 said:
Drew isn’t 6’1” though. We are the exact same height. I’m 5’11 1/2”

I wish I was 6 and above but not.
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It seems Drew is listed as 6' by almost all references. 6'1" might have been on his tip toes. lol
 
Brandon13 said:
Unless you're absolutely sold on Stroud with everything else I can't see taking him over Young with a differential in scores there like that and probability that it matters.
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Luckily, for us Brandon, as Saints fans we don’t have to worry or be too concerned about deciding which one of these two, college superstars to pick and hope to God we’ve made the “right one” because if we get a good one, maybe they turn out to have decent career, that’s going to determine the trajectory and levels of success an franchise is going to attain. We have a 4x Pro-Bowl QB in Derek Carr that will satisfy our QB situation in the short-to-medium term and put off a situation like this for us for 3-4 years
 
Saintman2884 said:
Luckily, for us Brandon, as Saints fans we don’t have to worry or be too concerned about deciding which one of these two, college superstars to pick and hope to God we’ve made the “right one” because if we get a good one, maybe they turn out to have decent career, that’s going to determine the trajectory and levels of success an franchise is going to attain. We have a 4x Pro-Bowl QB in Derek Carr that will satisfy our QB situation in the short-to-medium term and put off a situation like this for us for 3-4 years
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Yeah, when are you going to get on and put that N/S tag on the thread like I suggested @liveoakh ? ;)
 

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