N/S Why has it taken so long for Caleb Williams to be exposed as a Bust? Smells like the Jets Zac Wilson. (1 Viewer)

I'm actually not a Fields apologist, although I'll be the first to tell you that he was royally screwed by the Bears. You just can't throw up "OMG...look at what Williams just did" when there are years of tape showing Fields doing those exact same things in real games. Also, I've said what I said about QBs. I said during the season that Penix was the better QB and also going into the draft, that Penix is probably the best. Caleb Williams just had way more hype. This is not saying that he wasn't good but he was hyped due to aesthetics than anything.
It just seems like you use the same argument every time if a certain QB falls off. ‘The coaches screwed him over’. But if a QB you are critical of has success ie Mahomes, it is good play calling and coaching, and he’s overhyped based on “aesthetics” which is totally subjective…lol Even after Mahomes has won 3 rings you’re still hyper critical.
Look, I can’t stand Mahomes either, but you don’t win even 2 superbowls without being one of the greatest of all time.
 
It just seems like you use the same argument every time if a certain QB falls off. ‘The coaches screwed him over’.
Actually, it was the organization. Coaching was not good for them but look at the squad that the Bears fielded since Fields got there and look at what they did for Williams. Many pundits feels like this is the best situation a #1 QB has ever been drafted to and they are not lying. And more often than not, coaching/scheming/team are major factors in success. I'm not saying that Fields is better than Williams. I'm just saying that Williams is starting with an infinitely better situation than Fields has ever had in the NFL. That's all.

But if a QB you are critical of has success ie Mahomes, it is good play calling and coaching, and he’s overhyped based on “aesthetics” which is totally subjective…lol Even after Mahomes has won 3 rings you’re still hyper critical.
Look, I can’t stand Mahomes either, but you don’t win even 2 superbowls without being one of the greatest of all time.
I'm not critical of success. He was key in their first 2 super bowls (*cough*and refs against 49ers*cough*) but the last Super Bowl was all defense and if it wasn't for them, this would have been another loss. But again, we saw the Chiefs not score a single point in the second half of the AFCCG and still won. I knew 49ers had their work cut out for them.

But when I was speaking about aesthetics, I was talking moreso about Williams. We talk about things being "Mahomes-like" but ignore him dinking and dunking 90%+ of the time because those don't show up on highlights. But we associate this trait to him and we see a lot of college QBs seemingly forcing it into their game. That's why I always said that as a passer, Penix was better than most in this draft, although he didn't get the hype because you didn't see much "off schedule" with him, which is a stupid thing to penalize a QB for, but I digress.
 
But when I was speaking about aesthetics, I was talking moreso about Williams. We talk about things being "Mahomes-like" but ignore him dinking and dunking 90%+ of the time because those don't show up on highlights. But we associate this trait to him and we see a lot of college QBs seemingly forcing it into their game. That's why I always said that as a passer, Penix was better than most in this draft, although he didn't get the hype because you didn't see much "off schedule" with him, which is a stupid thing to penalize a QB for, but I digress.
Penix didn’t get the hype because he’s 24 and he didn’t win a Heisman. He also played poorly against Michigan. I’m not saying it’s fair and that Penix won’t be a good player, but he’s older than Caleb and has had injuries as well.
 
It just seems like you use the same argument every time if a certain QB falls off. ‘The coaches screwed him over’. But if a QB you are critical of has success ie Mahomes, it is good play calling and coaching, and he’s overhyped based on “aesthetics” which is totally subjective…lol Even after Mahomes has won 3 rings you’re still hyper critical.
Look, I can’t stand Mahomes either, but you don’t win even 2 superbowls without being one of the greatest of all time.
The best QB on the run in the league, according to a certain someone, can't even get a starting gig.

But don't let the 'eye test' fool you 😄😄 If it looks like bias, it's generally bias.
 
The best QB on the run in the league, according to a certain someone, can't even get a starting gig.

But don't let the 'eye test' fool you 😄😄 If it looks like bias, it's generally bias.
I reserve the right to change my mind, but it’s not good when you’re still in a battle with a washed Russell Wilson this late in the offseason.
 
I reserve the right to change my mind, but it’s not good when you’re still in a battle with a washed Russell Wilson this late in the offseason.
Russ ain't washed; Russ is trying to be something that he isn't. Russ wanted to be seen like Brees, Manning, and Brady but that was never his skillset. I think Russ just need to go back to what worked for him and the offense should be built around that because it would benefit them both.
 
Russ ain't washed; Russ is trying to be something that he isn't. Russ wanted to be seen like Brees, Manning, and Brady but that was never his skillset. I think Russ just need to go back to what worked for him and the offense should be built around that because it would benefit them both.
The guy Sean Payton paid 40 million to leave is not washed? He was great in his day at buying time and throwing nice deep passes, but he will be 36 in November. This might be his last year if he doesn’t work out in Pittsburgh.
 
The guy Sean Payton paid 40 million to leave is not washed? He was great in his day at buying time and throwing nice deep passes, but he will be 36 in November. This might be his last year if he doesn’t work out in Pittsburgh.
He didn't look good this week. Either he's showing out in practice or they're just hoping. If they're just hoping then they're making a mistake by not giving starters reps to Fields.
 
The guy Sean Payton paid 40 million to leave is not washed? He was great in his day at buying time and throwing nice deep passes, but he will be 36 in November. This might be his last year if he doesn’t work out in Pittsburgh.
And he is still OK at buying time and throwing a nice deep pass. That still looked great last season but he wanted to get away from that type of offense; the problem is, it never fit his skillset. Everyone saw the results but never took into account actual QB skill. I made mention of this when there was some noise about Russ coming here a few years back.

I'm not triggered at all and there is no hypocrisy in my stance. As a few others have pointed out, I can be a fan of a player and still be critical but for some reason, you seem overly emotional about that. You want me to make a case to why he would have an immediate impact on our team but what seems hard for you to figure out is he might not make an immediate impact on THIS team. I'm not blinded by Russ' brand and I've seen what he can bring to the table. If you want him to run an offense similar to Drew Brees, you would be disappointed because that is not where his skillset lies. His skill is more reminiscent of early Big Ben and if you looked at games/film instead of ESPN and YouTube highlights, you would see that.

And Russ IS my guy and has been since NC State but I'm too old to take the childlike approach of "he is my friend, so there are no negatives with him." You can think what you want about my views towards Russ but we are talking about what's best for the team. But since you apparently know this, YOU tell me how Russ will have an immediate impact on this team.

Like every QB in the league, Russ is great when he is in an offense that fits his skillset. Not as much when he has to do certain things. There are QBs that have traditional QB skillsets (5-7 step drops with true progression) and there are some that can just operate in shotgun and simplified reads. The problem is we don't take those things into account when actually evaluating QBs.
 
And he is still OK at buying time and throwing a nice deep pass. That still looked great last season but he wanted to get away from that type of offense; the problem is, it never fit his skillset. Everyone saw the results but never took into account actual QB skill. I made mention of this when there was some noise about Russ coming here a few years back.



Like every QB in the league, Russ is great when he is in an offense that fits his skillset. Not as much when he has to do certain things. There are QBs that have traditional QB skillsets (5-7 step drops with true progression) and there are some that can just operate in shotgun and simplified reads. The problem is we don't take those things into account when actually evaluating QBs.
I don't think he's completely washed, but Russ is about done. He's in the twilight of his career and I'm sure he can have a solid game here and there, but he's clearly not the same QB he was 5 years ago.
 

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