Young couple goes on van tour of US, boy comes back with van - no girl (1 Viewer)

[sonicboom]

Yep, I've got some experience hiking and backpacking in both Yellowstone, and Shenandoah parks and the Rangeley Lakes area in Maine and Mount Washington in NH....conditions can change on a dime, if you don't have the right gear it can be a matter of severe injury or death. Mother nature doesn't mess around.....nice post....

Did you ever have a danger moment out backpacking? You know like, your life flashes before your eyes, but some how survived?!?!

 

[Tapxe]

That is really horrible to think about.

I once stood eye to eye with a full grown male deer, we were separated about 10 yards on a single track (mountain bike trail), and we just sorta stared at each other. Maybe the deer thought the same thing I was thinking, are you gonna kill me right now?

After about 30 seconds of a staring contest, the deer scooted off the trail, into the woods. The deer had a lot of nerve walking on a mountain bike trail! On a serious note, at no point did I ever think, maybe I could pet this thing, or take a picture.

This is exactly how I'd feel in that situation. Too bad there was no car to get into in your case.

 

[EGLSShin]

Just awful, new angle footage released tonight.

 

[Sailorsaint]

I don’t know that I would have handled it any differently than those officers did. It’s much easier to make a decision in hindsight.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

I don’t know that I would have handled it any differently than those officers did. It’s much easier to make a decision in hindsight.

I will agree that the cops did nothing wrong
But I think it’s (potentially) another example that we people trained in behavioral dynamics to handle domestic cases
The cops possibly missed glaring red flags or could have pursued additional lines of questioning

again, no fault of the cops but a big hole in the structure

 

[boutrous]

Just awful, new angle footage released tonight.

In my opinion, this is a hell of a good cop. It's too bad we know how this turned out.

 

[DaveXA]

I will agree that the cops did nothing wrong
But I think it’s (potentially) another example that we people trained in behavioral dynamics to handle domestic cases
The cops possibly missed glaring red flags or could have pursued additional lines of questioning

again, no fault of the cops but a big hole in the structure

While I agree about the hole in the system part, I'm not sure we have the resources to fill that hole. Do we have social workers or mental health workers capable of defusing crisis or chaotic situations effectively? Do they work in tandem with cops? Do 911 calls get rerouted to them, or do cops call them in when they realize the situations warrant it? Just seems like an issue with far more questions than answers.

Maybe there's a local program out there I'm unaware of that might address this.

I suppose it's another thread entirely though.

 

[Tapxe]

In my opinion, this is a hell of a good cop. It's too bad we know how this turned out.

The officers gave her the means to get away. One can't help but wonder what happens if she got in that van and drove home without him. Something tells me she didn't feel safe with her parent either tho.

It's just a sad cautionary tale now.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

While I agree about the hole in the system part, I'm not sure we have the resources to fill that hole. Do we have social workers or mental health workers capable of defusing crisis or chaotic situations effectively? Do they work in tandem with cops? Do 911 calls get rerouted to them, or do cops call them in when they realize the situations warrant it? Just seems like an issue with far more questions than answers.

Maybe there's a local program out there I'm unaware of that might address this.

I suppose it's another thread entirely though.

It’s certainly not a quick fix thing, it’s something we start building towards

 

[sfidc3]

Did you ever have a danger moment out backpacking? You know like, your life flashes before your eyes, but some how survived?!?!

Nothing quite so exciting as somehow survived but a friend and I were hiking into the Gardner river from the road (NW Yellowstone NP), all rocks and crevasses, some deep. At the bottom of about a 10 foot crevasse was a good sized grizzly, it saw us and went the other way out of the crevasse. I told my friend that i was prepared to run faster than him!!!!!!!

On the upper Ruby river (Sheridan MT would be the closest town) we were hiking through some pretty wild country with same friend, we found an antelope leg poking out of a bush (most likely a mountain lion kill). Never saw the big cat but it wasn't for lack of trying!!!!!

 

[DaveXA]

It’s certainly not a quick fix thing, it’s something we start building towards

Agreed.

 

[EGLSShin]

Watching that video, she mentions how she quit her job and put everything into this cross-country trip. She later goes on to mention that "he doesn't think I can do it" or something along that effect. I almost wonder if a part of the ramp up in toxicity which eventually culminates in her death was due to the fact they probably weren't getting the traffic on social media/her blog that they or she was hoping for. It looks like she wanted to be this travel/camping influencer, she or they spent lots of money to make this cross-country thing happen. They converted this van into some what of a camping vehicle and spent an inordinate amount of time and energy planning this trip.

 

[Sailorsaint]

Just awful, new angle footage released tonight.

Brian mentions that if they were seperated, he would have no way of calling anyone because he doesn't have a phone....

 

[Sun Wukong]

Watching that video, she mentions how she quit her job and put everything into this cross-country trip. She later goes on to mention that "he doesn't think I can do it" or something along that effect. I almost wonder if a part of the ramp up in toxicity which eventually culminates in her death was due to the fact they probably weren't getting the traffic on social media/her blog that they or she was hoping for. It looks like she wanted to be this travel/camping influencer, she or they spent lots of money to make this cross-country thing happen. They converted this van into some what of a camping vehicle and spent an inordinate amount of time and energy planning this trip.

There might be something to this. I read an article a week or so ago that was talking about other couples that had done the same thing (van living) and had it all fall apart, ruin their relationships, etc. and a recurring theme is that in many cases this is all less "hippy free spirit" stuff and more "monetize for social media" and when the money doesn't happen, the stress shoots through the roof.

 

[HoustonSaint68]

While I agree about the hole in the system part, I'm not sure we have the resources to fill that hole. Do we have social workers or mental health workers capable of defusing crisis or chaotic situations effectively? Do they work in tandem with cops? Do 911 calls get rerouted to them, or do cops call them in when they realize the situations warrant it? Just seems like an issue with far more questions than answers.

Maybe there's a local program out there I'm unaware of that might address this.

I suppose it's another thread entirely though.

Yeah, definitely another thread, but just making the observation that this is where the whole “defund the police” thing gets co-opted.

In a world of limited resources, the question isn’t defund in the sense of taking all funds away but rather reallocation of funds, perhaps from SWAT/anti-terrorism/military-type police funding to associated mental health responders. Of course, I don’t pretend to have all the answers and I certainly recognize the need for SWAT/terrorism response in today’s world. But I expect that there is massive redundancy (with associated cost) in duplicating response teams across local departments, where perhaps you might have more of a regionalized heavy response unit in order to free up funds to support more local social response resources — for example, during the forced separation of these two, would separate follow up visits with Gabby or Brian by a trained professional have identified that she was in more trouble than it appeared to (relatively) untrained LEOs?