N/S Zack Baun: Top Graded LB / DPOTW [Why Baun Isn’t Still a Saint Thread] (25 Viewers)

[Judge_Smails]

Why.

This is getting old. It happens to every team in the NFL.

Sometimes Players leave and become stars elsewhere and sometimes players come here and become stars.

Drew Brees and Demario became stars here, Taysom Hill has had a nice career also.

It’s like fishing and romance in that there’s often more stories and second thoughts about the ones that got away.

 

[GeneHansen]

I mean he always played off ball LB in training camps and has always been listed as a LB or SLB. They have never listed him as an Edge or DE. Maybe the plan wasn't for him to replace Demario, but the plan clearly was for him to play off ball LB regardless of if it was MLB, SLB, or WLB. And he played SLB in games because Demario and Werner were the two starting LBs so he only got on the field when we played 3 LBs.

DA clearly decided by the end that he didn't think he was going to be able to play off ball LB at a high enough level to start over Werner or Demario, and that might have been a mistake depending on how you rate Werner, but it's not like the Saints didn't offer him a contract. They apparently offered more than Philly but he took the Philly offer and bet on himself to win a starting job there and then get a bigger contract.

It sucks but it happens. But I guess it comes down to do you view this, along with Ellis playing well in Atlanta, as proof that the Saints staff is good at developing LBs or as evidence that they are dumb because they keep letting good LBs leave? I think the answer depends on how much you dislike DA and how down you are on the organization in general.

This should be the end of this discussion... but I suspect it won't be.

 

[texasjefe]

Doesn't matter what the "plan" was for a Baun. The culture under loomis and DA - team and defense - was bad and toxic.

Saints drafted a stud (I watched him at Wisky), Saints failed to position him properly, failed to develop him, and lost him. It took a team with a winning culture to succeed with him instantly.

It's a huge fail, and it matches a pattern.

 

[St. Widge]

Doesn't matter what the "plan" was for a Baun. The culture under loomis and DA - team and defense - was bad and toxic.

Saints drafted a stud (I watched him at Wisky), Saints failed to position him properly, failed to develop him, and lost him. It took a team with a winning culture to succeed with him instantly.

It's a huge fail, and it matches a pattern.

Time is a flat circle.

 

[Merl]

It happens to all teams. The New York Jets let Jonathan Vilma walk. It's not just the Saints.

He didn't leave the Jets as a free agent. Vilma was traded to the Saints.

 

[Wisco Steve]

Per NextGenStats, Baun now leads the NFL in a 'stops' --a newer metric that tracks how often a player makes a tackle that results in a negative play (EPA) for the offense. Baun has 58 such stops.

 

[Domeination]

Doesn't matter what the "plan" was for a Baun. The culture under loomis and DA - team and defense - was bad and toxic.

Saints drafted a stud (I watched him at Wisky), Saints failed to position him properly, failed to develop him, and lost him. It took a team with a winning culture to succeed with him instantly.

It's a huge fail, and it matches a pattern.

 

[St. Geezy]

The “Weekly Zach Baun Accolade” thread lives on…

 

[TribuneUK]

The “Weekly Zach Baun Accolade” thread lives on…

This is beginning to sound like Artifactual finding semi-obscure new reasons to put Taysom in the hall of fame.

 

[Dastheat_9]

Dennis Allen didn’t know where to play him. He played him against the pass. Then they finally put him on the edge last year. He had success. Philly has him in the middle. They gave him a position. Just add it to the long line of young talent we jettisoned for older players. Let Ceedy Deuce walk out the door, and signed Marcus Maye. I could continue.

 

[Dastheat_9]

He didn't leave the Jets as a free agent. Vilma was traded to the Saints.

He was injured the year before. They drafted a stud MLB

 

[Elvis]

Dennis Allen didn’t know where to play him. He played him against the pass. Then they finally put him on the edge last year. He had success. Philly has him in the middle. They gave him a position. Just add it to the long line of young talent we jettisoned for older players. Let Ceedy Deuce walk out the door, and signed Marcus Maye. I could continue.

I now believe Ceedy was as much about him having a personality that made DA look weak as it was anything else. He couldn't have a guy showing him up and Ceedy does that to weaker minded people. DA and CGM both fit the bill.

 

[kcirdor]

Loomis did what?

 

[SaintsMan209]

Since Demario is getting up there in age. Would it make sense to sign Baun to a long term deal? He only signed a 1 year deal with the 3.5 Million dollar deal with the Eagles. Would be great to have a sturdy middle linebacker for the next 5 years and Baun could be the guy for us. Him and Werner next to each other would be good.

 

[BELOWSEALEVEL]

Draft is a coming. Get a good one cheap