Jesus, you're not conservative enough (1 Viewer)

In all fairness, this sort of thing has been going on for a while. New Testament scholars, for example, are all in agreement that the Gospel writers copied off of each other (most believe that Matthew and Luke used the already-written Mark as one of their main sources), and Matthew and Luke frequently tweaked Mark's text or even left out things that he had included to adjust the emphasis or theological slant of the text.

Later, as Christians began deciding which letters and books they liked the best, a similar process happened in the composition of the Bible. Some very old books (Gospel of Thomas, Shepherd of Hermas, Epistle of Barnabas, Acts of Paul and Thecla, I and II Clement, etc.) didn't make it into the final canon, for historical or theological reasons. Some books, like 2 Peter, 2 John, 3 John, Jude, and Revelation, didn't make it into the final canon in some of the Eastern churches in Persia and India. The Roman church wasn't big on Hebrews, and the churches in Constantinople, Jerusalem, Antioch, and Alexandria didn't like Revelation (both got included in the final canon, probably as a compromise).

Still later, Martin Luther cut out several books (the Apocrypha), allegedly because they weren't originally written in Hebrew (since proven wrong, at least for Sirach, but probably for many of the others too). He also wanted to get rid of the book of James, because its emphasis on works didn't square well with his doctrine of justification by grace through faith alone.

So while this latest attempt is a bit different in that its motivations appear to be more political than religious (although the boundary between politics and religion has been blurred in the US for a long time), it's really simply continuing a very, very old Christian tradition (and a Jewish tradition too, although I'm not as familiar with that process) of editing holy books to fit one's ideological agenda.
 
I suppose it bears something in common with the COuncils of Nicea, where somethings were included and others left out.

That didn't happen at Nicea. There was never a church-wide council that established the canon until the Council of Trent did it for the West in the sixteenth century. In the Eastern churches, the canon has never "officially" been closed. Sometimes my undergrad background in Bible, theology, and church history rears its ugly head....
 
That didn't happen at Nicea. There was never a church-wide council that established the canon until the Council of Trent did it for the West in the sixteenth century. In the Eastern churches, the canon has never "officially" been closed. Sometimes my undergrad background in Bible, theology, and church history rears its ugly head....
Yes, you're right. DaVinci Code is polluting my thinking.

I guess my point was that there was a lot, like the gnostic gospels, that was excluded in the end.
 
I like to think Jesus has amazing super powers. He can build 500 houses in ninth ward all by self, catch all fish in ocean without changing his bait and then just for fun read the Bible in 5 seconds. Oh ya and he can fly too.
 
I like to think Jesus has amazing super powers. He can build 500 houses in ninth ward all by self, catch all fish in ocean without changing his bait and then just for fun read the Bible in 5 seconds. Oh ya and he can fly too.

Wrong!! That was Chuck Norris.
 
I like to think Jesus has amazing super powers. He can build 500 houses in ninth ward all by self, catch all fish in ocean without changing his bait and then just for fun read the Bible in 5 seconds. Oh ya and he can fly too.

Lon Huang, I want to say right now that you are a fantastic addition to our Forum Community and I enjoy your posts immensely. Your avatar is also freaky-cool.
 
Jesus was the biggest Liberal hippie who ever walked the Earth-- with his long hair, unkempt beard and Birkenstocks... i've never heard a good Conservative counter-argument to this FACT.

FAct? I'm guessing you were there? Dang you're old.
 
any post with teh Doobies will always get a full 100% rep from me... even if they were Michael McDonald-less at the time.
It's taking every shred of self control to not give you a -1 rep on this post due to your belief that the Michael McDonald version of the Doobies was the superior version of them.
 
Anybody ever seen Sarah Silverman's movie- Jesus is Magic.

You should, it is absolutely hilarious and is all true. :ezbill:
 
I'm not sure how Jesus could be characterized as liberal, given that he wanted Judaism to return to some of the values and ethics that he felt had been abandoned.

I'm not sure how Jesus could be characterized as conservative, given that he associated with tax collectors and eschewed tradition and religious law to preach and perform miracles on the Sabbath.

I am pretty sure, though, that Jesus isn't easily pigeon-holed as a particular kind of individual, politically, since his interest (if we take the words as recorded) was not in the political arena. Defying political leaders was really more what John the Baptist was all about, since his role was to prepare the way for Jesus.
 

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