Titanic submersible es morte (1 Viewer)

[superchuck500]

I am not trying to counter or argue with the points you made, this is just a perspective based on what you posted. I'm probably going to add stuff that has nothing to do with what you posted. So you are warned

I understand why some people would feel it is immoral that your yacht as its own companion yacht while 10K-15K people die of hunger every day. However, I don't think the people who are dying of starvation can distinguish between Bill Gates and middle-class U.S. To them, everyone not starving to death must look rich.

Longish story, but bear with me: While in Winston-Salem, I lived in Buena Vista; for those who don't know W-S, Buena Vista is a well-to-do neighborhood: lawyers, doctors, and the occasional butt-crevasse computer engineer Mexican live there. As I am sure it happens in well-to-do neighborhoods across the country, during bulk trash pickup, people swarm the area picking up the stuff that is being thrown away. This one particular year, it rained heavily the 2 days before the pickup, so the scavenging was particularly heavy the Sunday before the scheduled pickup. I was walking stuff to the curb, and by the time I did the next trip, most of the stuff I put out the previous trip were gone. At one point, I put an old flat screen TV out. On the next trip, I see a woman and a man taking apart the TV, tossing the pieces they didn't want around my yard . I told them they were welcome to take anything the wanted, but to please take the whole thing, and not take things apart and toss them about my yard. The woman turns to me and says angrily "you rich people don't have a clue; you never will", while still loading stuff on their late model Ram 1500. So I told them to get off my property and if they picked one more thing, I was calling the police.

Also, interesting that some of the people making fun of the situation are feeling sorry about the 19 year old.

I think the 19 year old is particularly sympathetic because, unlike the others, he likely had little to do with his actually being there.

 

[jboss]

That’s fair - but I don’t think it’s about being friendly. There are 770 billionaires in the US, out of 330 million people. I believe you that you’ve personally known two people close to that range of wealth but it’s highly unlikely. I think it’s also true that I think it’s pretty rare for the accumulation of that kind of wealth without there being some along the way who were manipulated or cheated or defeated in some way - the idea of a completely innocent and altruistic billionaire is likely a myth.

At the same time, it’s still wrong to actually cheer someone’s death or feel like they deserved it. That is 100 percent agreed.

I’m just saying that the sentiment isn’t difficult to understand that some may find it absurd that these people would spend who knows what to make their way to St. John, Newfoundland (probably on a private jet) to pay $250K a head to board a vessel to travel 3,500 miles and then descend to 12k feet, a full 10K below the operational depth of any modern naval vessel, on an experimental craft to personally view the 110 year old wreckage of a ship where 1,500 people lost their lives.

There’s an element of absurdity here that I think allows people to look past the human tragedy of it and be cynical. Not all the different from when the rich guy travels to Africa to hunt a lion and becomes the lion’s prey.

I agree with a lot of this sentiment. And I will also restate that I take no joy in these people dying in this incident. But I will say, to your last point, when a rich guy travels to a far away land to hunt protected or vulnerable species and get got by that very same species, that's poetic justice to me. Chef's kiss. Get rekt, sheethead.

 

[0rion]

That’s fair - but I don’t think it’s about being friendly. There are 770 billionaires in the US, out of 330 million people. I believe you that you’ve personally known two people close to that range of wealth but it’s highly unlikely. I think it’s also true that I think it’s pretty rare for the accumulation of that kind of wealth without there being some along the way who were manipulated or cheated or defeated in some way - the idea of a completely innocent and altruistic billionaire is likely a myth.

At the same time, it’s still wrong to actually cheer someone’s death or feel like they deserved it. That is 100 percent agreed.

I’m just saying that the sentiment isn’t difficult to understand that some may find it absurd that these people would spend who knows what to make their way to St. John, Newfoundland (probably on a private jet) to pay $250K a head to board a vessel to travel 3,500 miles and then descend to 12k feet, a full 10K below the operational depth of any modern naval vessel, on an experimental craft to personally view the 110 year old wreckage of a ship where 1,500 people lost their lives.

There’s an element of absurdity here that I think allows people to look past the human tragedy of it and be cynical. Not all the different from when the rich guy travels to Africa to hunt a lion and becomes the lion’s prey.

In fairness probably neither is billionaire status but millions kinda deal. Way more money than I'd see in a couple lifetimes. Both are richer than I can really comprehend but you'd never know it in casual conversation.

 

[superchuck500]

I agree with a lot of this sentiment. And I will also restate that I take no joy in these people dying in this incident. But I will say, to your last point, when a rich guy travels to a far away land to hunt protected or vulnerable species and get got by that very same species, that's poetic justice to me. Chef's kiss. Get rekt, sheethead.

I agree it’s not totally analogous to the lion hunt but it’s certainly a very brave challenge to the forces of nature that operate at 12k feet below the surface.

 

[0rion]

I can see comedy in pretty much anything but I also know comedy is all about timing. Wrong time for the jokes and even the jokes aren't as bad as the sheer joy people found in this....it's pretty demented really.

 

[jboss]

I agree it’s not totally analogous to the lion hunt but it’s certainly a very brave challenge to the forces of nature that operate at 12k feet below the surface.

That's why deep ocean exploration should be left to James Cameron. See? I kinda like some rich people

 

[jboss]

I can see comedy in pretty much anything but I also know comedy is all about timing. Wrong time for the jokes and even the jokes aren't as bad as the sheer joy people found in this....it's pretty demented really.

Dude it's really not that serious. No one, on here at least, is bathing in the blood of these victims. I don't know why the sense of "sheer joy" being taken in this is still pervading. That's mostly just twitter bullshirt

 

[Complex Kid]

In fairness probably neither is billionaire status but millions kinda deal. Way more money than I'd see in a couple lifetimes. Both are richer than I can really comprehend but you'd never know it in casual conversation.

There is a huge difference between millionaires and billionaires.

 

[gavinj]

That's why deep ocean exploration should be left to James Cameron. See? I kinda like some rich people

James Cameron’s submersible was a lot more high tech than the ocean gate titan. And when I say “a lot more” I mean light years from this oceangate thing.

 

[superchuck500]

That's why deep ocean exploration should be left to James Cameron. See? I kinda like some rich people

I have read about Cameron’s dives and it seems like he truly has the explorer gene - that quality of a very few in a generation who work to go where no human has gone before, or only the very few. He completed just the second ever dive to Challenger Deep and he was the first human to solo dive to that depth.

I think those people are important, we need them to push the envelope for humanity - but at the same time they willingly take tremendous risk that they consider the partner of such ambition.

With OceanGate, it’s tourism not exploration- there just seems an element of foolishness. The whole thing seemed to lack the level of seriousness that accompanies the true explorers. But again, so what they didn’t deserve to die and no one should cheer it.

 

[Complex Kid]

James Cameron’s submersible was a lot more high tech than the ocean gate titan. And when I say “a lot more” I mean light years from this oceangate thing.

Here is a really good Twitter thread about that:

 

[jboss]

James Cameron’s submersible was a lot more high tech than the ocean gate titan. And when I say “a lot more” I mean light years from this oceangate thing.

I've made pretty clear on here how I feel about the rich. The so-called visonaries of our time. But I do in my cold, rich-hating, close-minded heart have a real soft spot for Box Office Jim. He's a truly an incredible man. Wealth be damned, he's got something that no one else has. That pure desire to do something no one else has done beyond the pursuit of profit.

 

[TheRealJRad]

There is a huge difference between millionaires and billionaires.

The difference between a million dollars and a billion dollars is basically a billion dollars

 

[DaveXA]

The difference between a million dollars and a billion dollars is basically a billion dollars

Indeed, I think once you get into 9 figures, that's when you're getting into pretty rare air. There are more than a few in the tens of millions, but then the numbers dwindle quite a bit beyond that.

Where I live, you have to be a millionaire pretty much. I'm probably far and away the poorest in my neighborhood, lol. Mostly because I started my current career so late in life. Prices are going up and my salary isn't keeping up, so I gotta start another job search for a better opportunity that actually exceeds what I'm spending. I'm in the rat race, heh.