Haener film looks better than Young. (1 Viewer)

[bobad]

I've posted this article before. I don't have time to re-read all of it right now, and I don't trust my memory to give an accurate summary, but I recall his methodology and analysis are at least interesting. Much more goes into evaluating arm talent than the ability to throw deep and he covers those variables for the QBs at the top of the 2020 class. A free account is now required to read it but I'll post his tl;dr.

TL;DR​

Of the four quarterback prospects, Jordan Love has the strongest arm. With a maximum launch velocity that’s nearly equivalent to a 98 mile per hour fastball, he’s able to make some throws the other QBs cannot. While Tua Tagovailoa’s arm is a concern, he makes up for it with the quickest throwing motion I’ve ever analyzed — yes, it’s faster than Dan Marino’s. Joe Burrow, on the other hand, was in the middle of the pack for both arm strength and release time, but he’s the quickest decision maker. In fact, he took less time, on average, to pull the trigger on throws than any other quarterback I’ve tracked. Justin Herbert was generally around average for each metric. I see Joe Burrow having Joe Montana-like talent (not necessarily the same career), Tua is a combination of Drew Brees’s 40-year-old arm and Mike Vick’s 37-year-old legs, Love reminds me of a mini Josh Allen, and Herbert has a striking resemblance to Derek Anderson. And if the NFL Combine wants to hit me up for ideas on how to improve their process, my DMs are wide open.

Tim Dix is a writer based in Los Angeles, where he mostly produces television about sports or science or both. He can be contacted at timdixtv@gmail.com.

Thanks for that DavidM.

Back in the day, there was a QB competition between all the QBs in Marino's time. The weaker ones were throwing 55-60 yards, the stronger ones 65, and 1 or 2 with cannons (maybe Cunningham?) throwing around 70 IIRC. Marino was throwing with the 3rd tier guys. My whole point is that everyone assumed Marino had a cannon arm to set all those records but he didn't. Neither did Peyton Manning Or Montana. I guess the difference between 55 and 60 yards is pretty big, but I think Jake is somewhere in the Marino range.

 

[DSnfla]

Time to bumpasaurus this thread since I first bought Haener to peoples attention way back.

You must have been there right along with me cause I've been watching and telling people about Jake for almost 2 yrs. Watched most of his games at Fresno St

 

[DSnfla]

I believe the anecdote that Ireland used was that they felt if Haener was in Alabama's system he would have had success. It wasn't a direct comparison between the two, the just felt like his abilities could have translated to major production in that system.

I totally agree, been saying that for a while now

 

[DSnfla]

I didn't say he wasn't polished. I said his arm looks weak.

Not according to all the reports coming out of camp, They're saying he's throwing darts

 

[nickj009]

I’m excited about Jake as well.

There was some chatter around here leading up to the draft, and he seemed like a great mid-round prospect that was getting overlooked due to the plethora of QBs.

Never thought we would actually get him.

We should all hope we struck gold with this pick.

 

[DSnfla]

Marino literally had one of the strongest arms in NFL history. Maybe top 5 all time. He could probably throw it 60 yards left-handed.

Marino had a decent NFL arm NOWHERE near top 5 strongest arms . If that's what your eyes tell you , I'll trust the scouting report

 

[Mamba]

Marino had a decent NFL arm NOWHERE near top 5 strongest arms . If that's what your eyes tell you , I'll trust the scouting report

decent NFL arm...yeah, ok

 

[liveoakh]

Haener = Jeff Garcia

He is a very polished west coast passer, and works hard. His value to us is he fits our system, and we didn't have to give up much for him. He is very lucky he landed with us.

 

[Will Survive]

Detiller made a comment about him hitting Shaheed in stride with a 60yd "bullet" or "on a rope" something along those lines. Don't have a link, but I read it on here in one of the threads. Best I can offer, but sounds like good stuff.

 

[DavidM]

Yeah, Marino had a notably strong arm and Haener isn't remotely on par with him in that regard. I also don't think that particularly matters.

What matters is if Haener has enough arm strength to play at this level, and whether he can develop the other skills to compensate for not having elite arm strength. I believe his arm is sufficiently strong enough and time will tell if he can develop his overall skillset to become a successful NFL player.

 

[wwepatriot]

You must have been there right along with me cause I've been watching and telling people about Jake for almost 2 yrs. Watched most of his games at Fresno St

I like to watch every now and then film on QBs and instead of watching and thinking how they will do in the NFL, I picture an nfl QB going to college and how they look, Burrow was an obvious, Haener has a similar look as well, if he was on LSU or Alabama squad, heck even Georgia, their would be no doubt who the #1 overall would be, it wouldn’t be Bryce Young.

 

[BELOWSEALEVEL]

Bryce played in the SEC, which is on another difficulty level entirely.

Bama is on another level on top of that.

 

[DSnfla]

Bama is on another level on top of that.

Yes Young played in the SEC but he also had some of the best talent in the SEC ON the team . People like to say Jake didn't play against SEC talent but he didn't have SEC talent along side of him.

 

[ndcc]

Bryce played in the SEC, which is on another difficulty level entirely.

So did Jamarcus Russell.

Kurt Warner played for Univ. of N. Iowa.
Jerry Rice played for Mississippi Valley St.

We could go on with many more examples. The OP started a good discussion. Well done!