Haener film looks better than Young.

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SigFreudianSlip said:
💯 excellent post. This is why I find it comical when people on a message board refer to any player as ‘trash’ ‘garbage’ etc.
Even the worst NFL player is amazingly gifted, comparatively.
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It's a little bit over-stated. I think you're looking at about 1 in 40 ish college seniors get drafted or end up in camp. Most of these will be short stints, or very much journeyman around for a few seasons. I don't think the gap between the best 'who didn't get in' and the worst 'who did get in' is always that significant - sometimes more about luck, opportunity, injury, work ethic, etc than pure physical ability.

However, the sentiment is correct - anyone who makes it to an NFL roster is a superb athlete who will have worked countless of hours to be in the position where they are. That in itself is worthy of respect for the achievement. Compared to others of the same station, perhaps, we can suggest one player is very poor and probably still 'better' than others who aren't in the NFL (though not necessarily from a purely talent perspective).

Also, on the point of the thread, I like Haener, I liked the pick and glad so far it's looking good. And what's really important is that Haener isn't just some guy who plays football - he's a QB. Starting calibre QB's are like gold dust and largely separates the haves from the have nots in the NFL. So if Haener becomes something, that's a force multiplier for this draft class - everyone else could be average, ok, whatever, but if you get a starting QB out of it, especially in the middle rounds, this is a A grade draft.
 
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Belfast Saint said:
Also, on the point of the thread, I like Haener, I liked the pick and glad so far it's looking good. And what's really important is that Haener isn't just some guy who plays football - he's a QB. Starting calibre QB's are like gold dust and largely separates the haves from the have nots in the NFL. So if Haener becomes something, that's a force multiplier for this draft class - everyone else could be average, ok, whatever, but if you get a starting QB out of it, especially in the middle rounds, this is a A grade draft.
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I think what I reflect on about this pick, and the pick of Saldiveri, is that the Saints traded up to get both. In both cases, that meant they saw those players as being graded high enough / good enough to warrant the pick, as well as being at risk of being selected by other team(s) before the Saints next selection if they didn't.

And in both cases, that assessment seems to have been correct, as both picks were followed by a run of QBs and interior OL picks respectively. The Saints got in ahead of both and to me it suggests other teams felt similarly about those players. It doesn't automatically make them studs, but it does mean they were perceived as good value at their respective draft positions.

What they do from here is up to them and the team around them. If they both turn into valuable depth, rather than front line starters, that's just fine, particularly given the regular concern I see raised on SSF about drafting for depth vs those top heavy, trade up drafts that we sometimes see.
 
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SAINTSFAN said:
That purely is a biased guess. Had he been drafted by the Falcons, would you have thought the same thing? Young went to a top SEC based on his talent in high school. I hope Haener surprises and becomes a star, but I think too many are viewing him through black and gold glasses from the start and may be expecting too much.
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If he had been taken by the falcons I’d be petrified. simply because their offense doesn’t demand much from the QB and Haeners football IQ is super high. He would absolutely turn heads and make Midder look very mundane over there 💀
 
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I don't want to be a Debbie Downer, but there are many cases of young QBs in camp looking great, but just never pan out. One of the biggest was Steve Walsh. people were saying he looked better than Aikman in camp. well, we all know how that turned out. Heck, there were many people here talking about how great Ian Book looked in camp...
 
I believe the anecdote that Ireland used was that they felt if Haener was in Alabama's system he would have had success. It wasn't a direct comparison between the two, the just felt like his abilities could have translated to major production in that system.
 
Mamba said:
Not of fan of Haener’s arm strength. Looks weaker than peak Brees.
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Not according to Mike Detillier. He said that Hafner looks polished. But he is is small like Drew was.
 
Mamba said:
I didn't say he wasn't polished. I said his arm looks weak.
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Guessing you meant post-peak Brees? Definitely there's flutter in the deep pass, according to scouting reports, so if that's the yardmark you're going by, you'll always find him wanting
 
TribuneUK said:
Guessing you meant post-peak Brees? Definitely there's flutter in the deep pass, according to scouting reports, so if that's the yardmark you're going by, you'll always find him wanting
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"Weaker than peak-Brees" is probably another way of saying "equal to post-peak Brees," but maybe a bit less confusing.

And yes, if my assessment is correct, if we ever have to depend on him as our starting QB, I'll always find him wanting.
 
Mamba said:
"Weaker than peak-Brees" is probably another way of saying "equal to post-peak Brees," but maybe a bit less confusing.

And yes, if my assessment is correct, if we ever have to depend on him as our starting QB, I'll always find him wanting.
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I just thought 'peak Brees' arm was pretty fine, so less than that not so terribly bad. But it's your yardmark, so I'll stay out of it.
 

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