Haener film looks better than Young. (2 Viewers)

[COACHTDL]

Ryan Leaf wasn't a bust because of lacking talent....
he lacked being able to handle failure.
there is more to the mental aspect of qb than there is physical. which is why brees did so well. he had just enough physical trait, and had the mental out the park.

And he worked his arse off

 

[HouseCall]

Let's not let the last few years of Brees' career reimage who he was. Drew Brees was an amazing athlete. He was really good at multiple sports (tennis and basketball) and had a really good arm with insane accuracy. Saying he had just enough physical traits doesn't do him justice.

Let’s take your point even further -

Every single NFL players - from the super stars to the scrubs that barely ever get in a game - on every team - are world class athletes that are more physically gifted than the other tens of thousands of players coming out of college who never sniff the NFL.

Look at every NFL QB room on every team and almost every single one of them, from the starter to the clipboard holder was a multiple sport superstar in high school.

It’s sometimes hard for non-athletes (Im definitely one of those ) to comprehend how insanely athletically gifted a professional athlete of any sport truly is.

 

[faceman]

Let’s take your point even further -

Every single NFL players - from the super stars to the scrubs that barely ever get in a game - on every team - are world class athletes that are more physically gifted than the other tens of thousands of players coming out of college who never sniff the NFL.

Look at every NFL QB room on every team and almost every single one of them, from the starter to the clipboard holder was a multiple sport superstar in high school.

It’s sometimes hard for non-athletes (Im definitely one of those ) to comprehend how insanely athletically gifted a professional athlete of any sport truly is.

Agreed. I believe the dumbest argument on the internet is someone who actually believes the best college team
would beat the NFL's worst team.

The first time I remember this subject coming up was the 1995 Nebraska team vs the 1-15 NY Jets. It was an article
written by USA today. The writer asked Vegas oddsmaker Danny Sheridan his opinion. Sheridan said if he
had to set the odds it would have been Jets - 28.

 

[bigdaddysaints]

Let’s take your point even further -

Every single NFL players - from the super stars to the scrubs that barely ever get in a game - on every team - are world class athletes that are more physically gifted than the other tens of thousands of players coming out of college who never sniff the NFL.

Look at every NFL QB room on every team and almost every single one of them, from the starter to the clipboard holder was a multiple sport superstar in high school.

It’s sometimes hard for non-athletes (Im definitely one of those ) to comprehend how insanely athletically gifted a professional athlete of any sport truly is.

especially those big guys on the line. Most guys that size couldn't do what they do.

 

[faceman]

especially those big guys on the line. Most guys that size couldn't do what they do.

I hated it happened against the Saints,but this is still the most athletic play I've seen
a lineman make. Btw, Darrion Conner was not slow. He ran a 4.5 at his combine.

 

[bigdaddysaints]

Agreed. I believe the dumbest argument on the internet is someone who actually believes the best college team
would beat the NFL's worst team.

The first time I remember this subject coming up was the 1995 Nebraska team vs the 1-15 NY Jets. It was an article
written by USA today. The writer asked Vegas oddsmaker Danny Sheridan his opinion. Sheridan said if he
had to set the odds it would have been Jets - 28.

there used to have a preseason game every year, The Chicago Charities College All-Star Game, NLF champs vs College All Stars, 1934 - 1976. I didn't know it lasted that long. But the overall series was NFL 30–9–2. But that was a different time, it would never be close now, especially if you are talking NFL champs vs College All Stars. Worse NFL team vs College All Stars, it may be close for the first half, but i still don't think it would be close..

 

[faceman]

there used to have a preseason game every year, The Chicago Charities College All-Star Game, NLF champs vs College All Stars, 1934 - 1976. I didn't know it lasted that long. But the overall series was NFL 30–9–2. But that was a different time, it would never be close now, especially if you are talking NFL champs vs College All Stars. Worse NFL team vs College All Stars, it may be close for the first half, but i still don't think it would be close..

Agreed, an All Star team would stand a better chance. The game you mentioned was cancelled for
two main reasons. The first was teams didn't want to subject their draft choices to injury in a meaningless
game. The second was the game was no longer competitive. After losing the 1963 game,Vince Lombardi
made it a point to beat the crap out of the all star team.

 

[wwepatriot]

Time to bumpasaurus this thread since I first bought Haener to peoples attention way back.

 

[SigFreudianSlip]

Let’s take your point even further -

Every single NFL players - from the super stars to the scrubs that barely ever get in a game - on every team - are world class athletes that are more physically gifted than the other tens of thousands of players coming out of college who never sniff the NFL.

Look at every NFL QB room on every team and almost every single one of them, from the starter to the clipboard holder was a multiple sport superstar in high school.

It’s sometimes hard for non-athletes (Im definitely one of those ) to comprehend how insanely athletically gifted a professional athlete of any sport truly is.

excellent post. This is why I find it comical when people on a message board refer to any player as ‘trash’ ‘garbage’ etc.
Even the worst NFL player is amazingly gifted, comparatively.

 

[GeneHansen]

Time to bumpasaurus this thread since I first bought Haener to peoples attention way back.

You brought him to everyone’s attention after he was already drafted by the team?

 

[Belfast Saint]

excellent post. This is why I find it comical when people on a message board refer to any player as ‘trash’ ‘garbage’ etc.
Even the worst NFL player is amazingly gifted, comparatively.

It's a little bit over-stated. I think you're looking at about 1 in 40 ish college seniors get drafted or end up in camp. Most of these will be short stints, or very much journeyman around for a few seasons. I don't think the gap between the best 'who didn't get in' and the worst 'who did get in' is always that significant - sometimes more about luck, opportunity, injury, work ethic, etc than pure physical ability.

However, the sentiment is correct - anyone who makes it to an NFL roster is a superb athlete who will have worked countless of hours to be in the position where they are. That in itself is worthy of respect for the achievement. Compared to others of the same station, perhaps, we can suggest one player is very poor and probably still 'better' than others who aren't in the NFL (though not necessarily from a purely talent perspective).

Also, on the point of the thread, I like Haener, I liked the pick and glad so far it's looking good. And what's really important is that Haener isn't just some guy who plays football - he's a QB. Starting calibre QB's are like gold dust and largely separates the haves from the have nots in the NFL. So if Haener becomes something, that's a force multiplier for this draft class - everyone else could be average, ok, whatever, but if you get a starting QB out of it, especially in the middle rounds, this is a A grade draft.

 

[TribuneUK]

Also, on the point of the thread, I like Haener, I liked the pick and glad so far it's looking good. And what's really important is that Haener isn't just some guy who plays football - he's a QB. Starting calibre QB's are like gold dust and largely separates the haves from the have nots in the NFL. So if Haener becomes something, that's a force multiplier for this draft class - everyone else could be average, ok, whatever, but if you get a starting QB out of it, especially in the middle rounds, this is a A grade draft.

I think what I reflect on about this pick, and the pick of Saldiveri, is that the Saints traded up to get both. In both cases, that meant they saw those players as being graded high enough / good enough to warrant the pick, as well as being at risk of being selected by other team(s) before the Saints next selection if they didn't.

And in both cases, that assessment seems to have been correct, as both picks were followed by a run of QBs and interior OL picks respectively. The Saints got in ahead of both and to me it suggests other teams felt similarly about those players. It doesn't automatically make them studs, but it does mean they were perceived as good value at their respective draft positions.

What they do from here is up to them and the team around them. If they both turn into valuable depth, rather than front line starters, that's just fine, particularly given the regular concern I see raised on SSF about drafting for depth vs those top heavy, trade up drafts that we sometimes see.

 

[BRSaint225]

That purely is a biased guess. Had he been drafted by the Falcons, would you have thought the same thing? Young went to a top SEC based on his talent in high school. I hope Haener surprises and becomes a star, but I think too many are viewing him through black and gold glasses from the start and may be expecting too much.

If he had been taken by the falcons I’d be petrified. simply because their offense doesn’t demand much from the QB and Haeners football IQ is super high. He would absolutely turn heads and make Midder look very mundane over there

 

[bigdaddysaints]

I don't want to be a Debbie Downer, but there are many cases of young QBs in camp looking great, but just never pan out. One of the biggest was Steve Walsh. people were saying he looked better than Aikman in camp. well, we all know how that turned out. Heck, there were many people here talking about how great Ian Book looked in camp...

 

[Mamba]

Time to bumpasaurus this thread since I first bought Haener to peoples attention way back.

After these 5 days of Training Camp (one day with pads), I think we can safely call this one. Hand this man his yellow jacket now.