Haener film looks better than Young. (1 Viewer)

[bobad]

I'm not basing my opinion on scouting reports. Just trusting my eyes. I think his ceiling is a high-capacity 2nd string QB. Which, for a 4th round pick, is about what you'd hope for.

Jake has a lively arm, he can make all the throws. My eyes say his arm is maybe a little stronger than peak Brees, which was at SD before the injury. I think it's about like Marino's, who could throw it 60 yards, which isn't weak.

 

[Mamba]

I think it's about like Marino's, who could throw it 60 yards, which isn't weak.

Marino literally had one of the strongest arms in NFL history. Maybe top 5 all time. He could probably throw it 60 yards left-handed.

 

[Rouxble]

Marino literally had one of the strongest arms in NFL history. Maybe top 5 all time. He could probably throw it 60 yards left-handed.

When I first watched Haener highlights, I also wasn’t impressed by the arm strength. He made some solid deep throws, but I don’t remember seeing a lot of trademark NFL throws (which have a lower trajectory and more velocity).

For comparison, Dalton could float passes to Olave or Shaheed, but he couldn’t throw it on a line like Carr or Winston can.

I’m interested to see how his arm looks once the preseason games start.

 

[TribuneUK]

Jake has a lively arm, he can make all the throws. My eyes say his arm is maybe a little stronger than peak Brees, which was at SD before the injury. I think it's about like Marino's, who could throw it 60 yards, which isn't weak.

Yeah, being honest, this seems a little enthusiastic. But since arm strength isn't the sole determinant of NFL QB success (hello Kyle Boller and others), it may not matter that much.

 

[DavidM]

Jake has a lively arm, he can make all the throws. My eyes say his arm is maybe a little stronger than peak Brees, which was at SD before the injury. I think it's about like Marino's, who could throw it 60 yards, which isn't weak.

I've posted this article before. I don't have time to re-read all of it right now, and I don't trust my memory to give an accurate summary, but I recall his methodology and analysis are at least interesting. Much more goes into evaluating arm talent than the ability to throw deep and he covers those variables for the QBs at the top of the 2020 class. A free account is now required to read it but I'll post his tl;dr.

TL;DR​

Of the four quarterback prospects, Jordan Love has the strongest arm. With a maximum launch velocity that’s nearly equivalent to a 98 mile per hour fastball, he’s able to make some throws the other QBs cannot. While Tua Tagovailoa’s arm is a concern, he makes up for it with the quickest throwing motion I’ve ever analyzed — yes, it’s faster than Dan Marino’s. Joe Burrow, on the other hand, was in the middle of the pack for both arm strength and release time, but he’s the quickest decision maker. In fact, he took less time, on average, to pull the trigger on throws than any other quarterback I’ve tracked. Justin Herbert was generally around average for each metric. I see Joe Burrow having Joe Montana-like talent (not necessarily the same career), Tua is a combination of Drew Brees’s 40-year-old arm and Mike Vick’s 37-year-old legs, Love reminds me of a mini Josh Allen, and Herbert has a striking resemblance to Derek Anderson. And if the NFL Combine wants to hit me up for ideas on how to improve their process, my DMs are wide open.

Tim Dix is a writer based in Los Angeles, where he mostly produces television about sports or science or both. He can be contacted at timdixtv@gmail.com.

 

[bobad]

Yeah, being honest, this seems a little enthusiastic. But since arm strength isn't the sole determinant of NFL QB success (hello Kyle Boller and others), it may not matter that much.

Maybe a little.

The real determinant is getting the ball there reliably and in stride. Accuracy trumps strength 90% of the time I guess. Jake is smart enough not to try any Josh Allen throws.

What hasn't been talked about enough is Jake's ability to scramble, find a receiver flashing open, and release the ball accurately all n a split second. He did that at least twice in the UCLA game. That's a great talent to have.

 

[madsaint1967]

Not of fan of Haener’s arm strength. Looks weaker than peak Brees.

Can't teach anticipation, which is where Brees killed it! I remember Aaron Brooks had a cannon of an arm but couldn't throw with anticipation at all. Time will tell.

 

[bobad]

I've posted this article before. I don't have time to re-read all of it right now, and I don't trust my memory to give an accurate summary, but I recall his methodology and analysis are at least interesting. Much more goes into evaluating arm talent than the ability to throw deep and he covers those variables for the QBs at the top of the 2020 class. A free account is now required to read it but I'll post his tl;dr.

TL;DR​

Of the four quarterback prospects, Jordan Love has the strongest arm. With a maximum launch velocity that’s nearly equivalent to a 98 mile per hour fastball, he’s able to make some throws the other QBs cannot. While Tua Tagovailoa’s arm is a concern, he makes up for it with the quickest throwing motion I’ve ever analyzed — yes, it’s faster than Dan Marino’s. Joe Burrow, on the other hand, was in the middle of the pack for both arm strength and release time, but he’s the quickest decision maker. In fact, he took less time, on average, to pull the trigger on throws than any other quarterback I’ve tracked. Justin Herbert was generally around average for each metric. I see Joe Burrow having Joe Montana-like talent (not necessarily the same career), Tua is a combination of Drew Brees’s 40-year-old arm and Mike Vick’s 37-year-old legs, Love reminds me of a mini Josh Allen, and Herbert has a striking resemblance to Derek Anderson. And if the NFL Combine wants to hit me up for ideas on how to improve their process, my DMs are wide open.

Tim Dix is a writer based in Los Angeles, where he mostly produces television about sports or science or both. He can be contacted at timdixtv@gmail.com.

Thanks for that DavidM.

Back in the day, there was a QB competition between all the QBs in Marino's time. The weaker ones were throwing 55-60 yards, the stronger ones 65, and 1 or 2 with cannons (maybe Cunningham?) throwing around 70 IIRC. Marino was throwing with the 3rd tier guys. My whole point is that everyone assumed Marino had a cannon arm to set all those records but he didn't. Neither did Peyton Manning Or Montana. I guess the difference between 55 and 60 yards is pretty big, but I think Jake is somewhere in the Marino range.

 

[DSnfla]

Time to bumpasaurus this thread since I first bought Haener to peoples attention way back.

You must have been there right along with me cause I've been watching and telling people about Jake for almost 2 yrs. Watched most of his games at Fresno St

 

[DSnfla]

I believe the anecdote that Ireland used was that they felt if Haener was in Alabama's system he would have had success. It wasn't a direct comparison between the two, the just felt like his abilities could have translated to major production in that system.

I totally agree, been saying that for a while now

 

[DSnfla]

I didn't say he wasn't polished. I said his arm looks weak.

Not according to all the reports coming out of camp, They're saying he's throwing darts

 

[nickj009]

I’m excited about Jake as well.

There was some chatter around here leading up to the draft, and he seemed like a great mid-round prospect that was getting overlooked due to the plethora of QBs.

Never thought we would actually get him.

We should all hope we struck gold with this pick.

 

[DSnfla]

Marino literally had one of the strongest arms in NFL history. Maybe top 5 all time. He could probably throw it 60 yards left-handed.

Marino had a decent NFL arm NOWHERE near top 5 strongest arms . If that's what your eyes tell you , I'll trust the scouting report

 

[Mamba]

Marino had a decent NFL arm NOWHERE near top 5 strongest arms . If that's what your eyes tell you , I'll trust the scouting report

decent NFL arm...yeah, ok

 

[liveoakh]

Haener = Jeff Garcia

He is a very polished west coast passer, and works hard. His value to us is he fits our system, and we didn't have to give up much for him. He is very lucky he landed with us.