The organization and the culture (1 Viewer)

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First off this is a rather long post and might bore many casual Saints fans or fans that are already predisposed to their own thoughts on why we win and why we lose. Which I realize that on an individual game basis a win or loss can be determined by a ton of individual decisions, reasons, calls, and plays. However, in my opinion sustained winning and or losing is determined by something much more intangible, CULTURE.

So for well over the past year or so I personally thought I was on an island by myself when it came to some of my views of the Saints organization and their woes. As I started to share my views on what I thought ailed the Saints with my friends and fellow football fanatics I began to find out that I wasn’t the only one that felt the way I felt or shared similar opinions. Same here, on SR. Yes there’s always going to be half the board that takes one side and half the other. Half the board blames a loss on this or that, half on something else. So on and so forth.

I recently caught myself getting wrapped up into the kinda back and forth posting that I honestly loathe. Granted, nobody’s getting hurt and it’s only opinions but still I use to pride myself on taking the high road or uniting the fan base not ripping it apart. Then again, this is what losing does not just to players and coaches but also to fans. It brought me back to when I was a kid and the rough seasons as the “AINT’S” and the finger pointing. Our organization and fan base was hardly a united front back then either.

Throughout our franchise history there has been attempts to change the culture of our organization. Some attempts by coaches, some by GMs, heck some by owners (right Mr. Benson?). Usually with mixed results, until as many of you have pointed out we caught lightning in a bottle with SP, ML and DB9. Where I get off track as a fan and as SR member is arguing with people about who’s to credit for our success from 2006 to 2019 and who’s to blame for the lack of success since 2019.

There are points to be made on both sides for sure but the one thing i think everyone can agree on is that the “culture”, the winning culture or mindset that was once well established in our facilities, players, and organization is no longer there. It’s the old Vince Lombardi saying “chase perfection, catch excellence”. In my opinion it’s been a long minute since our entire organization, from top to bottom, each and every man has chased perfection.

I feel this way only based on what I see starting with the play on the field. The mistakes, the lack of focus, lack of execution, just overall inconsistency and that has played out with our win/loss record since 2019. Middle of the road effort gets you middle of the road results. Nope, it’s not just on the players, we all know that coaches have to set the tone, and at the end of the day fall on the sword for lack of performance.

The FO is just as culpable in the quagmire of complacency as well. Wether it was appeasing SP with silly player contracts that hurt the team, poor draft selections or the constant restructuring of veteran contracts converting money to signing bonuses in order to spread the cap hit but kick the can down the road. For what? To maintain our “window to win it all”? Really.

For the past 2 seasons I wanted both DA and ML gone. DA is gone and I still want ML gone. My exact sentiment is that I’d like Ms. Benson to terminate the contracts of the entire old guard FO in Mickey, Dennis Lauscha and Greg Bensel. I’ll go a step further, I’d like to see Gayle Benson hire an outside consulting firm to come in and analyze/audit every aspect of both the Pelicans/Saints organization’s to include every internal and external department. Including contracted medical staff, doctors, trainers even massage personnel (see hamstring issues).

We all know the definition of insanity, “doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results”. Well folks what the Saints have been doing the past 4 years has definitely been insane. To be clear, I don’t hate Mickey or anyone in the FO, I just think that they are part of this now culture of complacency that is plaguing the organization as a whole. The organization in my opinion needs an entire overhaul from top to bottom and the FO has to be part of that turnover if we want to move forward and try to catch that lightning in a bottle again.

As a veteran of almost 34 years I know just how important culture is to organizational success. I also know that when you reset an organization to change a culture or a mindset you don’t just change one or two people, you change everyone in leadership.

My wish, and I know that it will never happen would be for Ms. Gayle to bring in Drew as the GM. I know, he doesn’t need the money and probably doesn’t want to invest the time. However I do trust his football acumen (even more than John Lynch) to come in a rebuild the organization from top to bottom. To find the right coaches, players and create a culture of winning that breeds success. In my opinion as an organization I think that we would have a better chance at winning a Lombardi sooner with Drew as our GM than Mickey.

As fans we can agree to disagree and share our opinions on SR. I think we can all agree though that as an organization we are in need of some drastic changes.
 
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We are a losing organization. We own far too many ignominious records. Losing in absolutely heartbreaking fashion seems to be our cornerstone. The ability to snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory is in our DNA. Injuries, highly questionable to downright one-sided incorrect officiating, poor coaching decisions, player gaffes, player missteps, and unfavorable ball-bounces are a regular part of us.

I think it's organizational. Outside of 2009 and to a much lesser effect 2006, every other season ended in soul-crushing disappointment. I'm Christian and small part of me feels like we need to sacrifice a Peruvian chicken during the Summer Solstice or something to get this up off of us. Or maybe a Chilean goat during a blood moon.

But make no mistake, this is a loser organization. Everything from the Minny Miracle to the 2018 No Call, to Brees staying too long and missing out on Tom Brady to losing Mahommes to PT getting speared, etc...
 
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Drew wouldn't make a good GM. First with his kids I don't think he would want it. 2nd, he was always for the player to make as much money as possible. He tried to set the market in his time with contracts. Then to reverse and say cant pay this player X amount. I just don't see it.
 
Drew wouldn't make a good GM. First with his kids I don't think he would want it. 2nd, he was always for the player to make as much money as possible. He tried to set the market in his time with contracts. Then to reverse and say cant pay this player X amount. I just don't see it.
I don’t think he’d want it either but I restfully disagree with your assessment of Drew’s ability to make business decisions. First Drew wasn’t trying to “set the market” during his time, he was trying to get paid for his production in accordance with the market value just like Manning and Brady. John Lynch made pretty good money during his time playing and makes those decisions now and one could argue from a business perspective that Drew is a tad more involved in business (Jimmy John’s, Walk-on and other franchises) than Mr Lynch. I was merely looking at Drew’s football knowledge, love of the organization and love of the city. In essence his positivity.
 
Pretty much this. I'm a lifelong fan, 51 years old, but it's time to tear this thing down to the pillings and start over
I’m 54, and in complete agreement. I think fans and many SR members confuse our sentiments with hate towards ML or other members of organization. It has zero to do with that, it’s just stagnant, complacent, mediocre, whatever adjective you’d like to use to describe an organization that for 80% of it’s existence was a perennial loser that got a taste of what winning felt like and yes win a SB.
 
I’m 54, and in complete agreement. I think fans and many SR members confuse our sentiments with hate towards ML or other members of organization. It has zero to do with that, it’s just stagnant, complacent, mediocre, whatever adjective you’d like to use to describe an organization that for 80% of it’s existence was a perennial loser that got a taste of what winning felt like and yes win a SB.

Yup, it’s been the same the last few years here, perfectly reasonable, rationale criticisms of DA were met with the “hater” label and then these geniuses would go on and criticize CSP in an incredibly moronic attempt to make DA look better….

Same with ML, that PC last year told some of us all we needed to know, he was utterly and completely delusional about DA….and all many of those folks apparently have left is to defend ML to the bitter end….it makes zero sense to me….
 
We are a losing organization. We own far too many ignominious records. Losing in absolutely heartbreaking fashion seems to be our cornerstone. The ability to snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory is in our DNA. Injuries, highly questionable to downright one-sided incorrect officiating, poor coaching decisions, player gaffes, player missteps, and unfavorable ball-bounces are a regular part of us.

I think it's organizational. Outside of 2009 and to a much lesser effect 2006, every other season ended in soul-crushing disappointment. I'm Christian and small part of me feels like we need to sacrifice a Peruvian chicken during the Summer Solstice or something to get this up off of us. Or maybe a Chilean goat during a blood moon.

But make no mistake, this is a loser organization. Everything from the Minny Miracle to the 2018 No Call, to Brees staying too long and missing out on Tom Brady to losing Mahommes to PT getting speared, etc...
How about the Australian Kangaroo?
 
We are a losing organization. We own far too many ignominious records. Losing in absolutely heartbreaking fashion seems to be our cornerstone. The ability to snatched defeat out of the jaws of victory is in our DNA. Injuries, highly questionable to downright one-sided incorrect officiating, poor coaching decisions, player gaffes, player missteps, and unfavorable ball-bounces are a regular part of us.

I think it's organizational. Outside of 2009 and to a much lesser effect 2006, every other season ended in soul-crushing disappointment. I'm Christian and small part of me feels like we need to sacrifice a Peruvian chicken during the Summer Solstice or something to get this up off of us. Or maybe a Chilean goat during a blood moon.

But make no mistake, this is a loser organization. Everything from the Minny Miracle to the 2018 No Call, to Brees staying to long and missing out on Tom Brady to losing Mahommes to PT getting speared, etc...
That's not really accurate under the Benson family's ownership. With John Mecom, yes we were a clown show organization, but Mecom only owned the Saints for 18 years. The Benson's have owned the Saints for close to 40 years now (2025 will make exactly 40 years). 15 of those years we had more wins than any team that wasn't the Patriots or Steelers. We have a Super Bowl victory and multiple deep playoff runs during that stretch. Jim Mora had a good run with the Dome Patrol and even though Haslett's tenure ended bad, we had some really competitive seasons and really explosive offenses. As bad as this is right now, it's not unfixable.

2005 was about as bad as it can get for a team and in 2006 with right combination of coaching hires and player acquisitions we turned it around immediately.

Also look at NFL history, teams go through cycles of highs and lows or sometimes just mediocrity. There was a time when the Steelers and 49ers were trash organizations (before Bill Walsh and Chuck Knoll). Dallas was trash in the 80s, awesome in the 90s and now they suck. Things change over time
 
That's not really accurate under the Benson family's ownership. With John Mecom, yes we were a clown show organization, but Mecom only owned the Saints for 18 years. The Benson's have owned the Saints for close to 40 years now (2025 will make exactly 40 years). 15 of those years we had more wins than any team that wasn't the Patriots or Steelers. We have a Super Bowl victory and multiple deep playoff runs during that stretch. Jim Mora had a good run with the Dome Patrol and even though Haslett's tenure ended bad, we had some really competitive seasons and really explosive offenses. As bad as this is right now, it's not unfixable.

2005 was about as bad as it can get for a team and in 2006 with right combination of coaching hires and player acquisitions we turned it around immediately.

Also look at NFL history, teams go through cycles of highs and lows or sometimes just mediocrity. There was a time when the Steelers and 49ers were trash organizations (before Bill Walsh and Chuck Knoll). Dallas was trash in the 80s, awesome in the 90s and now they suck. Things change over time
I wouldn't exactly characterize Niners as a trash, terribly-run organization and team pre-Bill Walsh, Montana, Eddie Debartolo in the same extent as Steelers were pre-Noll. Sure, they were mostly terrible for most of the 70's but they were a pretty good, decent half way-competitive team with John Brodie, Gene Washington, Ted Kwalick, Dave Parks and "Million Dollar Backfield" from the late 50's-early 70's. John Brodie is probably one of the most underrated, forgotten QB's in NFL history. They made two consecutive NFCCG appearances in 1970-71 and if not for a complete, total collapse wouldve beaten Dallas in that 1972 NFC Divisional Playoff Game. Sure, they sucked pretty badly from 1973-1980, but take away their mid-late 70's doldrums, Niners franchise history and overall success isn't that bad, even if they hadn't won 5 Super Bowls yet.

Look at Buffalo, they were a strong, powerhouse AFL contender for most of the 1960's but save for a few brief periods of decent-to-good, competitive squads in early-to-mid 70's and early 80's, Buffalo really emerge as a legitimate SB contender until late 80's and became the NFL's winniest team in terms of overall wins throughout the 1990's. Then they went on one of the longest post-season droughts amongst any North American pro sports team only notching two wins during the "Drought" period--2004 and 2014. Then 2017 happened and they managed to recapture some focus, momentum and hope that got strengthened when they drafted Josh Allen and signed FA's in Stefan Diggs, Von Miller, and James Cook.
 
You fire everyone and do a complete reset this offseason, including clearing as much of the cap as possible, or you end up this decade's Browns.

It's beyond time to rip the band aid off instead of slowly pulling to avoid momentary pain

If we don't rip now, we will absolutely be mired in a painstaking slow motion rebuild that will take years to accomplish.

And that's just players. Then you have to re-establish the identity, confidence and character of the team
 

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