For anyone who says Carr is just a stat padder and don’t win: (3 Viewers)

[Mr.Blonde]

So, use this same silly argument for Burrow?

are you putting Carr on the same level as Burrow? Because that's silly.

 

[DaveXA]

Yes. I said that.

Go you!

Excuses are still excuses regardless of feelings.

Has nothing to do with feelings, maybe your feelings, idk.

Eventually you have to produce.

He has and your refusal to acknowledge that speaks volumes.

You said unless he's on a legitimate playoff team you won't assign him blame.

There you go again putting words in my mouth. I didnt say that.

So, again it's everyone else's fault.

Nope.

Then you followed up with more Raiders excuses, DA excuses, and finally injury excuses.

So you refuse to acknowledge legitimate issues and just call them excuses. Thats not how the world works. Keep up the fantasy though. Its one way to live.

What is he the best option to do? Go .500 again?

Possibly, i mean, .500 as oppoed to no wins? I mean, if you like losing, but idk.

Keep us mediocre?

Nope.

There is no upside.

Your opinion, sure.

It's a waste of everyone's time.

If you say so.

Of course, I said this exact same thing the last two seasons.

Since ypu know it all, who should we realistically get that would be an upgrade over Carr? I'll wait.

Raider fans are still having these same arguments. Until we move on we will never reach the playoffs.

I mean, Carr got the Raiders to the playoffs one season with Del Rio iirc. So never is a big word.

 

[DaveXA]

are you putting Carr on the same level as Burrow? Because that's silly.

I mean, you're saying excuses only apply to who you think they should apply to. Your reasoning doesn't make much sense. Whatever floats your boat tho.

 

[Mr.Blonde]

I mean, you're saying excuses only apply to who you think they should apply to. Your reasoning doesn't make much sense. Whatever floats your boat tho.

You're using excuses to cover up a decade of facts. Carr is a sub par quarterback his record proves it.

 

[DaveXA]

You're using excuses to cover up a decade of facts. Carr is a sub par quarterback his record proves it.

I'll let you have the last word no need to keep repeating the obviois.

 

[Mr.Blonde]

Go you!

Has nothing to do with feelings, maybe your feelings, idk.

He has and your refusal to acknowledge that speaks volumes.

There you go again putting words in my mouth. I didnt say that.

Nope.

So you refuse to acknowledge legitimate issues and just call them excuses. Thats not how the world works. Keep up the fantasy though. Its one way to live.

Possibly, i mean, .500 as oppoed to no wins? I mean, if you like losing, but idk.

Nope.

Your opinion, sure.

If you say so.

Since ypu know it all, who should we realistically get that would be an upgrade over Carr? I'll wait.

I mean, Carr got the Raiders to the playoffs one season with Del Rio iirc. So never is a big word.

Excuses don't pay the bills. You may like using them for Derek. I'm sorry you're stuck in your feelings it's just football. Did Derek Carr get us to the playoffs in a weak division since he's been a Saint? So what has he produced? I say roll with Rattler. Draft Jeanty or top WR. We need playmaker. Draft both lines/ safety with our extra manders picks. Fill up our depth by trading down as much as possible. Saints will stick with Carr one more season in reality so this whole argument is meaningless. We will have it again next season.

 

[Ghost]

These arguments are the same arguments Raider's fans had for 10 years.

This.

Stop into a Raider forum and it was like Groundhog Day. It’s literally the same excuses as to why it’s not his fault. People are saying the same thing Raider fans argued over multiple thousand page threads from 2017 onwards.

Unfortunately for you guys your FO stupidity extended him, thus prolonging the agony.

 

[DaveXA]

Excuses don't pay the bills.

Never stated otherwise.

You may like using them for Derek.

You characterizing it that way doesn't make it so.

I'm sorry you're stuck in your feelings it's just football.

Already addressed this.

Did Derek Carr get us to the playoffs in a weak division since he's been a Saint?

Never said otherwise.

So what has he produced?

Slightly more wins than losses with a pretty lousy set of circumstances. But hey, since injuries and circumstances are irrelevant to you, we'll go with your excuses mantra.

I say roll with Rattler.

I'm not opposed to that if Rattler has a good preseason.

Draft Jeanty or top WR.

Works for me.

need playmaker.

yep, no question.

Draft both lines/ safety with our extra manders picks.

Not enough picks to cover all of that, but we can start in that direction, sure.

Fill up our depth by trading down as much as possible.

Not opposed to trading down. Depends on whos on the board at the time.

Saints will stick with Carr one more season in reality so this whole argument is meaningless.

Maybe, depends on whether the new coaching staff wants to run it back with Carr or go a different direction. I'd say the odd are Carr will be back, but never know.

We will have it again next season.

Doubtful. He'll either be on his way to another team or he's shut the doubters up. So there won't be much debate by then.

 

[DaveXA]

This.

Stop into a Raider forum and it was like Groundhog Day. It’s literally the same excuses as to why it’s not his fault. People are saying the same thing Raider fans argued over multiple thousand page threads from 2017 onwards.

Unfortunately for you guys your FO stupidity extended him, thus prolonging the agony.

Well, the Raiders have done diddly poo since Carr left, so they can keep arguing over being mediocre.

 

[B4YOU]

Not worth a new thread but......

 

[Mr.Blonde]

Never stated otherwise.

You characterizing it that way doesn't make it so.

Already addressed this.

Never said otherwise.

Slightly more wins than losses with a pretty lousy set of circumstances. But hey, since injuries and circumstances are irrelevant to you, we'll go with your excuses mantra.

I'm not opposed to that if Rattler has a good preseason.

Works for me.

yep, no question. You've

Not enough picks to cover all of that, but we can start in that direction, sure.

Not opposed to trading down. Depends on whos on the board at the time.

Maybe, depends on whether the new coaching staff wants to run it back with Carr or go a different direction. I'd say the odd are Carr will be back, but never know.

Doubtful. He'll either be on his way to another team or he's shut the doubters up. So there won't be much debate by then.

Last word huh. So. You never said otherwise, got it. Excuses were never made for Carr, but you mention excuses again(injuries,circumstances) The thing is every season the circumstances/injuries happen. So Carr has developed a pattern of this. It's going to continue. Everything else we basically agree on. Carr will be here. He has no incentive to go elsewhere. We would have to cut him.

Well, the Raiders have done diddly poo since Carr left, so they can keep arguing over being mediocre.

They beat our butt in the dome. Carr is fortunate to have missed the game to prevent him losing to all 32 teams.

 

[DaveXA]

Last word huh.

Well, you responded to another of my posts before I said that. So, i changed my mind. It happens.

So. You never said otherwise, got it. Excuses were never made for Carr, but you mention excuses again(injuries,circumstances) The thing is every season the circumstances/injuries happen. So Carr has developed a pattern of this. It's going to continue.

Carr has developed a pattern of causing injuries and bad coaching every season? Lol. Nice logic.

Everything else we basically agree on. Carr will be here. He has no incentive to go elsewhere. We would have to cut him.

And if he doesn't have a good season, he'll be cut, yes. If he has a great season and we make the playoffs, then we'll have to decide if we want to continue or not and would be a tpugher call.

They beat our butt in the dome. Carr is fortunate to have missed the game to prevent him losing to all 32 teams.

Eh, the offense was terrible in that game. Carr averaged 24 points per game this season. Raiders scored 25. Would have been a close game most likely.

 

[Ghost]

Well, the Raiders have done diddly poo since Carr left, so they can keep arguing over being mediocre.

Yes they actually did something good, moved on from Carr. It might take a while but standing pat hoping a (then) ten year vet would suddenly get it or attempt to start solving it?

The results weren’t great this year but taking a chance as opposed to paying a Vet like an elite QB with non-elite results?

Easy choice to make.

 

[Mr.Blonde]

Well, you responded to another of my posts before I said that. So, i changed my mind. It happens.

Carr has developed a pattern of causing injuries and bad coaching every season? Lol. Nice logic.

And if he doesn't have a good season, he'll be cut, yes. If he has a great season and we make the playoffs, then we'll have to decide if we want to continue or not and would be a tpugher call.

Eh, the offense was terrible in that game. Carr averaged 24 points per game this season. Raiders scored 25. Would have been a close game most

A decade of either underperformance or injuries is just a case of bad luck or coaching(other people's fault.) That's what you are saying, right? That Derek Carr is the unluckiest quarterback in the history of the league. It's not a reflection on him or a pattern? He was brought in to be the final piece to the puzzle. He was brought in to be more than Andy Dalton. He is Andy Dalton. We need to move on ASAP.