For anyone who says Carr is just a stat padder and don’t win: (16 Viewers)

[latechsaint26]

Then you know its a poor comparison. Excuses are excuses. Carr is who he is. You won't hold him accountable and blame others that's fine. I am basing my opinion on his results from over a decade of failure. You're "looking beyond the results.

He’s a good fit in this system. And he’s been good when in the right fits. Let’s try to make sure we don’t give him his 4th offense in 4 years if we want him to succeed.

But who knows. I think some Saints fans would rather be right about hating Carr or DA than want the team to win. Football is almost like politics (red and blue)… Why have constructive conversations when you can get a win on your belt?

 

[Mr.Blonde]

Again with the blaming of the QB for every loss, like he's working by himself and not the other 10 guys on offense, 11 guys on D, the coaching staff. Nope, it's just the QBs out there against each other in a vacuum.

Do you think Joe Burrow is to blame for those losses this year? Or is the terrible defense just an "excuse" for him?

Again not giving the Quarterback any blame and blaming everyone else. It's everyone else not Carr. Got it

 

[Mr.Blonde]

Says you.

Whatever makes you feel better.

Yes.

Not what I said, but keep repeating that nonsense I guess.

Or, the teams he played for are failures. The Raiders havent gotten any better since he left. And we all know where Allen got us.

No, he literally has a winning record in games when he started and was not injured, for the Saints. And the Saints were 0fer when Carr doesn't play this season.

And again, I'm not saying he's the franchise qb we're looking for. I'm saying he's the best option we have right now and probably for at least one more season.

Says you.

Whatever makes you feel better.

Yes.

Not what I said, but keep repeating that nonsense I guess.

Or, the teams he played for are failures. The Raiders havent gotten any better since he left. And we all know where Allen got us.

No, he literally has a winning record in games when he started and was not injured, for the Saints. And the Saints were 0fer when Carr doesn't play this season.

And again, I'm not saying he's the franchise qb we're looking for. I'm saying he's the best option we have right now and probably for at least one more season.

Yes. I said that. Excuses are still excuses regardless of feelings. Eventually you have to produce. You said unless he's on a legitimate playoff team you won't assign him blame. So, again it's everyone else's fault. Then you followed up with more Raiders excuses, DA excuses, and finally injury excuses. What is he the best option to do? Go .500 again? Keep us mediocre? There is no upside. It's a waste of everyone's time. Of course, I said this exact same thing the last two seasons. Raider fans are still having these same arguments. Until we move on we will never reach the playoffs.

 

[DaveXA]

Again not giving the Quarterback any blame and blaming everyone else. It's everyone else not Carr. Got it

So, use this same silly argument for Burrow?

 

[1K SPORT]

These arguments are the same arguments Raider's fans had for 10 years.

I'm not a Carr fan and look forward to the day we can dump him. The back and forth / round and round is kinda pointless because the Saints gave him too much money and dumping him will cost too much. I'm very much in "suck it up mode" and "don't expect him to all of a sudden become a good QB" If I keep my expectations low, I won't be as disappointed.

And the argument that he is better than anyone else on the team doesn't make him good. It just means we have 3 guys who wouldn't start on any other team.

 

[Mr.Blonde]

So, use this same silly argument for Burrow?

are you putting Carr on the same level as Burrow? Because that's silly.

 

[DaveXA]

Yes. I said that.

Go you!

Excuses are still excuses regardless of feelings.

Has nothing to do with feelings, maybe your feelings, idk.

Eventually you have to produce.

He has and your refusal to acknowledge that speaks volumes.

You said unless he's on a legitimate playoff team you won't assign him blame.

There you go again putting words in my mouth. I didnt say that.

So, again it's everyone else's fault.

Nope.

Then you followed up with more Raiders excuses, DA excuses, and finally injury excuses.

So you refuse to acknowledge legitimate issues and just call them excuses. Thats not how the world works. Keep up the fantasy though. Its one way to live.

What is he the best option to do? Go .500 again?

Possibly, i mean, .500 as oppoed to no wins? I mean, if you like losing, but idk.

Keep us mediocre?

Nope.

There is no upside.

Your opinion, sure.

It's a waste of everyone's time.

If you say so.

Of course, I said this exact same thing the last two seasons.

Since ypu know it all, who should we realistically get that would be an upgrade over Carr? I'll wait.

Raider fans are still having these same arguments. Until we move on we will never reach the playoffs.

I mean, Carr got the Raiders to the playoffs one season with Del Rio iirc. So never is a big word.

 

[DaveXA]

are you putting Carr on the same level as Burrow? Because that's silly.

I mean, you're saying excuses only apply to who you think they should apply to. Your reasoning doesn't make much sense. Whatever floats your boat tho.

 

[Mr.Blonde]

I mean, you're saying excuses only apply to who you think they should apply to. Your reasoning doesn't make much sense. Whatever floats your boat tho.

You're using excuses to cover up a decade of facts. Carr is a sub par quarterback his record proves it.

 

[DaveXA]

You're using excuses to cover up a decade of facts. Carr is a sub par quarterback his record proves it.

I'll let you have the last word no need to keep repeating the obviois.

 

[Mr.Blonde]

Go you!

Has nothing to do with feelings, maybe your feelings, idk.

He has and your refusal to acknowledge that speaks volumes.

There you go again putting words in my mouth. I didnt say that.

Nope.

So you refuse to acknowledge legitimate issues and just call them excuses. Thats not how the world works. Keep up the fantasy though. Its one way to live.

Possibly, i mean, .500 as oppoed to no wins? I mean, if you like losing, but idk.

Nope.

Your opinion, sure.

If you say so.

Since ypu know it all, who should we realistically get that would be an upgrade over Carr? I'll wait.

I mean, Carr got the Raiders to the playoffs one season with Del Rio iirc. So never is a big word.

Excuses don't pay the bills. You may like using them for Derek. I'm sorry you're stuck in your feelings it's just football. Did Derek Carr get us to the playoffs in a weak division since he's been a Saint? So what has he produced? I say roll with Rattler. Draft Jeanty or top WR. We need playmaker. Draft both lines/ safety with our extra manders picks. Fill up our depth by trading down as much as possible. Saints will stick with Carr one more season in reality so this whole argument is meaningless. We will have it again next season.

 

[Ghost]

These arguments are the same arguments Raider's fans had for 10 years.

This.

Stop into a Raider forum and it was like Groundhog Day. It’s literally the same excuses as to why it’s not his fault. People are saying the same thing Raider fans argued over multiple thousand page threads from 2017 onwards.

Unfortunately for you guys your FO stupidity extended him, thus prolonging the agony.

 

[DaveXA]

Excuses don't pay the bills.

Never stated otherwise.

You may like using them for Derek.

You characterizing it that way doesn't make it so.

I'm sorry you're stuck in your feelings it's just football.

Already addressed this.

Did Derek Carr get us to the playoffs in a weak division since he's been a Saint?

Never said otherwise.

So what has he produced?

Slightly more wins than losses with a pretty lousy set of circumstances. But hey, since injuries and circumstances are irrelevant to you, we'll go with your excuses mantra.

I say roll with Rattler.

I'm not opposed to that if Rattler has a good preseason.

Draft Jeanty or top WR.

Works for me.

need playmaker.

yep, no question.

Draft both lines/ safety with our extra manders picks.

Not enough picks to cover all of that, but we can start in that direction, sure.

Fill up our depth by trading down as much as possible.

Not opposed to trading down. Depends on whos on the board at the time.

Saints will stick with Carr one more season in reality so this whole argument is meaningless.

Maybe, depends on whether the new coaching staff wants to run it back with Carr or go a different direction. I'd say the odd are Carr will be back, but never know.

We will have it again next season.

Doubtful. He'll either be on his way to another team or he's shut the doubters up. So there won't be much debate by then.

 

[DaveXA]

This.

Stop into a Raider forum and it was like Groundhog Day. It’s literally the same excuses as to why it’s not his fault. People are saying the same thing Raider fans argued over multiple thousand page threads from 2017 onwards.

Unfortunately for you guys your FO stupidity extended him, thus prolonging the agony.

Well, the Raiders have done diddly poo since Carr left, so they can keep arguing over being mediocre.

 

[B4YOU]

Not worth a new thread but......