For anyone who says Carr is just a stat padder and don’t win:

[CowtownSaint]

Same to you. You seem to be lost in Derek Carr excuse land.

He IS Derek Carr

 

[Mr.Blonde]

You just rewrote your original post instead of answering the question I posed in my reply. Great discussion.

Because, all you have are excuses.

 

[Mr.Blonde]

What was Stafford's excuse? Took him 12+ years.

Stafford is a better player than Carr. Stafford has had multiple 5,000 yard passing seasons and led multiple playoff teams. Carr is more comparable to Andy Dalton/Jay Cutler. Cutler at least has a playoff victory.

 

[Eeyore]

If Loomis sticks around, he's going to extend Carr to keep kicking the cap problem to another year.

 

[GrandAdmiral]

So we're back to making excuses again? How'd that work out after multiple years of excuses for Dennis Allen. Carr is an average QB. If we're going to do a reset, we need to reset that position as well.

 

[44slayer]

Why do people so readily conflate “Problems That Actually Happened” with excuses?

A bad, nonexistent-demand OC one season followed by a series of decimating injuries happened.

I don’t get how we all watch the same team in the same games, one group goes “whoa, those are some tough breaks” the other goes “no! excuses!”

Let’s not forget that you went to the wall - to the bitter end - for a bottom 5 HC in NFL history with the same copy and paste bullet points. Still waiting for him to become Bill Belichick.

Carr hasn’t won a playoff game in his 11 year career. At some point, you go through 11 divorces, even with ‘tough breaks’, eventually you might have to consider he might not be that dude and could be part of the problem - even it’s it’s just cap space and preventing a full scale rebuild. This roster ain’t built to support Derek Carr. He needs an elite roster chock full of pro bowlers to be more than he has been. He will not get that here. If he had that, sure he might win a playoff game. We are just not close to giving him that. At all.

We will never agree on sunshine pumping in the face of facts. But toeing the Loomis party line, playing super homer, just isn’t helping the franchise anymore.

 

[Saint KayBee]

So we're back to making excuses again? How'd that work out after multiple years of excuses for Dennis Allen. Carr is an average QB. If we're going to do a reset, we need to reset that position as well.

Define excuses, because my lifelong understanding of the difference is that “referring to things that actually happened, and had a direct and easily explainable negative impact because they happened,” are not excuses, they are explanations.

 

[DaveXA]

So we're back to making excuses again? How'd that work out after multiple years of excuses for Dennis Allen. Carr is an average QB. If we're going to do a reset, we need to reset that position as well.

They're not excuses. Simply comparing what happened to Carr to Stafford. I think Stafford is the better qb, but he didn't get a legitimate shot to win regularly until he was traded to the Rams.

Carr has never been put in a position to work with a playoff type team. Allen wasn't going to get him there, and certainly not the dysfunctional Raiders.

Personally I'd rather move on from Carr, but he's gonna be with the team at least one more season because of his contract situation.

 

[DaveXA]

Let’s not forget that you went to the wall - to the bitter end - for a bottom 5 HC in NFL history with the same copy and paste bullet points. Still waiting for him to become Bill Belichick.

Carr hasn’t won a playoff game in his 11 year career. At some point, you go through 11 divorces, even with ‘tough breaks’, eventually you might have to consider he might not be that dude and could be part of the problem - even it’s it’s just cap space and preventing a full scale rebuild. This roster ain’t built to support Derek Carr. He needs an elite roster chock full of pro bowlers to be more than he has been. He will not get that here. If he had that, sure he might win a playoff game. We are just not close to giving him that. At all.

We will never agree on sunshine pumping in the face of facts. But toeing the Loomis party line, playing super homer, just isn’t helping the franchise anymore.

By that same argument, Stafford went 12 seasons winning nothing to winning the SB with thr Rams. Why a different standard for two different qbs with very similar career stats through 11 seasons?

Carr wasn't gonna win with Allen because Allen is not a good HC and never has been. If Carr goes to a legitimate playoff team and craps the bed, then yeah. Until that happens, .

 

[Saint KayBee]

Let’s not forget that you went to the wall - to the bitter end - for a bottom 5 HC in NFL history with the same copy and paste bullet points. Still waiting for him to become Bill Belichick.

Carr hasn’t won a playoff game in his 11 year career. At some point, you go through 11 divorces, even with ‘tough breaks’, eventually you might have to consider he might not be that dude and could be part of the problem - even it’s it’s just cap space and preventing a full scale rebuild. This roster ain’t built to support Derek Carr. He needs an elite roster chock full of pro bowlers to be more than he has been. He will not get that here. If he had that, sure he might win a playoff game. We are just not close to giving him that. At all.

We will never agree on sunshine pumping in the face of facts. But toeing the Loomis party line, playing super homer, just isn’t helping the franchise anymore.

fork me for wanting the team to do well, right?

Why haven’t you put me on ignore already? You’ve been on mine for a year now.

I came here because, even with anonymous usernames, the discussions about the Saints tend to be held to better expectations amongst fans… but, and I am saying this publicly: you make me feel unsafe here. This is deeper than football fanhood at this point.

 

[CowtownSaint]

fork me for wanting the team to do well, right?

Why haven’t you put me on ignore already? You’ve been on mine for a year now.

I came here because, even with anonymous usernames, the discussions about the Saints tend to be held to better expectations amongst fans… but, and I am saying this publicly: you make me feel unsafe here. This is deeper than football fanhood at this point.

Feeling unsafe because someone disagrees with you… you can’t make this sheet up! Wow.

 

[Stinkers]

I’m convinced @Stinkers is Carrs Burner account. It’s okay bro you can just admit it

No but your clown arse apparently wants to make the same mistake the Raiders made and go through 5-6 more QBs with no end in sight, when you have a franchise QB on the roster already in Carr.

 

[CowtownSaint]

No but your clown arse apparently wants to make the same mistake the Raiders made and go through 5-6 more QBs with no end in sight, when you have a franchise QB on the roster already in Carr.

Okay Derek, I’m not feeling safe around you

 

[Mr. Coach Klein]

Cutting him isn't gonna save much of anything cap-wise. You keep him on another season and let him go the following offseason.

And people keep saying the team is really old when the average age is about mid pack relative to other teams. Certainly there are positions where age is an issue, but that's the case with a lot of teams.

Age is related to the good players. We have a bunch of really good CFB players that are young.

You're completely wrong on Carr. You cut him post June 1 and you eat a lot of dead money in 25 then 26 is almost completely clear.

Post June 1 = 21.5 dead. 30 MM in savings. Off in 26