Saints planned to interview Mike McCarthy; McCarthy didn’t garner enough interest from Saints and will take a year off (13 Viewers)

[SoggyBottomBoy]

He is not coming to the Saints with the same talent he had in Dallas so he won't just come in here and win 12 games like people are saying he will do. This is not a 12 win team currently.

I haven’t read a post stating that McCarthy will come in and win 12 games. He or any other coach selected will likely have a rough first season. The majority of us know that. But that won’t stop the malcontents from harping about it all season because it wasn’t their guy. McCarthy is simply the most proven commodity and though not everyone’s top choice, he’s a solid choice.

 

[StudioSaint]

SWJJ, this hopefully will be my last post for some time. I will let others weight in. But these are my ultimate questions with McCarthy. Why do those in Green Bay believe the Packers were right in letting him go and are happy with that decision?

Are you talking about fans or management? Fans as a whole never know as much as they think they know. A lot of fans were glad that the Chargers chose Rivers over Brees, just as one example.

Why do most in Dallas--I suspect--believe the Cowboys needed to move on from McCarthy?

Again, are you talking about fans or management? Cowboys fans are not only certain they are the best team every year, but they also feel strongly entitled to it. They turn on any coach who doesn't win them a Super Bowl every other year.

Regarding the first question, I believe the folks in Wisconsin are thrilled that McCarthy left and believe that LaFleur is a better coach.

LaFleur can be a better coach while at the same time McCarthy is a good coach. McCarthy doesn't have to be bad for LaFleur to be better just like Payton doesn't have to be bad for Reid to be better.

I have a friend in Green Bay who knows more about the history of the team than nearly anyone alive and has contacts in the building, so I can ask and provide a detailed account of why the Packers moved on from McCarthy.

That's just hearsay to me and I personally don't give it any more credibility than any other rumor. There's probably some truth to what you heard they heard from someone else, but there's no doubt every person in the chain is going to subjectively hear and repeat what they heard. It's not intentional, it's the telephone game.

Aren't you one of the people who would take Payton back and wanted Loomis and DA gone, because results speak for themselves and they speak the loudest? McCarthy has the same results over a long period of time as Payton and a lot of other really good coaches in NFL history. That speaks for itself and speaks the loudest.

McCarthy may not be the best coach for the Saints, but McCarthy is objectively a good and successful coach.

 

[mleg1972]

I'm taking the guy that almost always hits doubles and triples than a guy that has the POTENTIAL to hit a home run . I'm winning more games with the former

Well said!

 

[DSnfla]

Yep. One of several reasons I prefer an offensive coach in today’s game. I also just feel the game is better managed when you have an offensive guy viewing everything in the game from an offensive perspective.

I think just about everyone would prefer an offensive HC. But it's more than that. Everything that I have seen from reports and videos tells me that Glen has the personality, the temperament , the attention to detail and the accountability to be a very good HC. But he not an O guy. I have not seen that from any of the offensive HC candidates or at least it does not jump out at me. If we hire Glenn and he either stays with KK and the offensive staff or he hires a great OC and O staff and we have great success on offense and as a team.

Then that OC leaves in 2-3 yrs if Glenn does not have his replacement already in mind then we hire the wrong HC. Bowels had Canales and he did well and left. He hires Coen and Coen got more results with less than Canales did. If we hire the RIGHT HC and he's a D guy and he hires a great OC and they leave. He knows what he wants and will find another good OC

 

[StudioSaint]

I much rather McCarthy or Joe Brady(OC playcaller) over Glenn. Just like Underhill said, it is much easier to find DC's than it is OC's who will get poached when they do a good job. If they do go with Glenn, the moment the OC looks good with this roster, he's getting a bunch of HC interviews in the next cycle and do you really wanna go thru that drama?

Was just thinking about the fact that since Loomis has been with the Saints, their head coach hires have been defense, offense and then defense. That's Haslett, Payton and then DA. Hopefully, Loomis sees that most of their long term success and stability came with an offensive head coach and they go offense again.

Hopefully fans will see that the most success the Saints had with a defensive head coach was when McCarthy was the OC.

 

[DSnfla]

Those are mostly valid criticisms of McCarthy. But I don't know that the what has he done lately is. He has been 12-5 in 3 of the last 4 years and does have one playoff win. You would like more, but random sheet happens in the playoffs all the time where the better team and even better coached team doesn't always win. Saints fans should know that well.

And, I've never been a huge McCarthy fan, but he has won wherever he goes and although his most recent playoff record isn't great, he has won in the playoffs too. Guys don't just forget how to coach at age 61.

And as I have said over and over, McCarthy is not really my top choice and maybe not my second choice for the job, but I do think he is still a good football coach and would be an overall good hire. I'm not sure he gets us where we want, but I think he's a guy that can build your organization back to being a consistent playoff team and leave you with a more attractive roster for the next head coach in 3 to 5 years. But, I also think it's possible he does end up having the kind of success we want.

Some of the young guys might have more upside, but they also have a huge downside and I think this organization is at a cross-roads where you turn it back around or you end up cellar dwellers again for many years. So, I think we have to get this hire right and McCarthy is the safest bet to get us back to the playoffs and build the roster back. Maybe he doesn't do it, but he still seems like the currently available coach with the best chance to do it.

But, a lot will depend on the front office getting it right on the draft picks.

Also they think that has kind of not been mentioned much is that McCarthy was pretty much handcuffed by Jones. From ast coaches to Jones pretty much ran the draft. McCarthy wanted Henry and Jones said no. Here it would be a total opposite. So while some are blaming MM for the playoff issues it could very well have been Jones's hand in the pie that is the real culprit

 

[DSnfla]

Was just thinking about the fact that since Loomis has been with the Saints, their head coach hires have been defense, offense and then defense. That's Haslett, Payton and then DA. Hopefully, Loomis sees that most of their long term success and stability came with an offensive head coach and they go offense again.

Hopefully fans will see that the most success the Saints had with a defensive head coach was when McCarthy was the OC.

Except that Haslett was Mueller hire , yes ML was with the team but had nothing to do with the hire

 

[DSnfla]

That's fair. Glenn would be far and away my top choice if he was an offensive coach. He has the leadership skills and playing experience to lead today's players. Unfortunately, he's defensive guy that is going to have to hit on OC hires over and over again. Still, I'd be perfectly happy with Glenn. But, I'd also be happy with McCarty for the reasons discussed over and over in this thread. And, I'd also be fine with Kinsbury and Brady for other reasons. But I do think they are both more risky than McCarthy or Glenn because neither has yet proven to be the kind of leader you need.

One thing just mentioned by Covington Saint that I think is very true, had we hired Glenn before McCarthy entered the fray, I would have wondered if it wasn't just Loomis going with someone he knew who he thought was safe, but if he picks Glenn over McCarty, or McCarthy over Glenn for that matter, it will have been a legitimate process. Doesn't mean he will get it right, but it's better than last time when DA was the clear choice and someone else would have had to blow them away for him not to get it.

I think with Mueller, Ziegler, Ireland,Harley Parentton . it will,be a legit process. ML is not in this alone he's got a lot of good help

 

[DSnfla]

Mostly Caleb Williams and they have added some young talent because they have a lot of draft picks from the guys they traded away. Plus, yes, Chicago is a nice city.

On the flip side, Williams is kind of a strange guy and Chicago is where football coaches go to fail. In fact I thought it was funny that Chicago fans thought it was impressive that they flew McCarty in on a private jet since they normally bring head coach candidates in with coach tickets on regular commercial flights.

Mrs. B has a plane , she'll send it to pick him up with dinner from Antione's on board

 

[44slayer]

But people don't look beneath the surface , they only see the cover of the book

Haaaaaaaaaaaa. Lawd.

That 100% came from the Book of Mickey.

So under the cover of the book is water? I expected, pages.

 

[StudioSaint]

Except that Haslett was Mueller hire , yes ML was with the team but had nothing to do with the hire

That's probably the reason I didn't say that Mickey Loomis hired Haslett, don't you think?

That's why I very specifically and very clearly said that since Loomis has been with the Saints.

Loomis has been in the room for that defense, offense and defense head coach hiring cycle. Loomis has been in the room to see what worked the best and for the longest, which is an offensive hire as head coach.

I hope Loomis recognizes that and hires an offensive head coach.

 

[DSnfla]

That's probably the reason I didn't say that Mickey Loomis hired Haslett, don't you think?

That's why I very specifically and very clearly said that since Loomis has been with the Saints.

Loomis has been in the room for that defense, offense and defense head coach hiring cycle. Loomis has been in the room to see what worked the best and for the longest, which is an offensive hire as head coach.

I hope Loomis recognizes that and hires an offensive head coach.

While ML was GM when Haslett was fired he had nothing to do with or was "In the room" when Haslet was hired . He was an administrator not football opps

 

[Belfast Saint]

I think with Mueller, Ziegler, Ireland,Harley Parentton . it will,be a legit process. ML is not in this alone he's got a lot of good help

I wonder what the perspectives of the several former GM's we have will influence the decision. Do some of these guys want a bit more control over player/football decisions? If so, would that lead them to favour a 1st time HC who wouldn't necessarily need/expect full control? I think Loomis is very much in the laissez faire camp, but if there a large panel, to what extent is that decision influenced by what the others may want from their own roles?

 

[JackDiesel]

I wonder what the perspectives of the several former GM's we have will influence the decision. Do some of these guys want a bit more control over player/football decisions? If so, would that lead them to favour a 1st time HC who wouldn't necessarily need/expect full control? I think Loomis is very much in the laissez faire camp, but if there a large panel, to what extent is that decision influenced by what the others may want from their own roles?

Yeah that's very interesting. I'm really curious as to the roles all those guys play because at what point is it having too many cooks in the kitchen?