18-41 as a Head Coach (3 Viewers)

[AmerVet]

Youre willing to allow Dennis Allen to get another season if he cant make the playoffs with this schedule, in this division? Youll never see a schedule this soft again. Never. Its historically bad. Theres never been a head coach in NFL history near his career win % that got a 6th season as a HC. We are literally creating history with this loser.

I truly just want to understand how people can support Allen. I dont get it, at all. He is terrible. He is scraping the bottom of the barrel all time. He has no personality, he doesnt have and iota of testes, he doesnt inspire confidence, he doesnt say the right things. He doesnt make the moves that needs to be made. We have receivers running the wrong routes, Olave has looked checked out at times sandbagging routes.

Sean Payton wouldve lit into some arses. Allen just looks at his little play sheet to figure out if he should start punting on 3rd down.

He is losing the locker room. Players are blowing up on the field, and Im certain its because they know they are collectively better than how theyve played, and the KNOW they are being held back by the coaching staff.

They need a life preserver. It couldve been as simple as firing Carmichael. Allen is sparkless. He just isnt cut out for this.

Exactly. When I was in the military and the unit was failing at whatever the assignment, The blame didn't go on the SSgt, it went straight to the squad commander. If leadership was failing, They never hesitated to remove that person immediately. I was attached to a unit where the commander wouldn't put up with any mishaps by his subordinates. If you messed up, you'd better believe he would intensify training until he was confident that he knew we were all doing our job with maximum efficiency.

 

[AmerVet]

Okay, it’s evident I’m not seeing this the same way as you. This is my second time asking, please leave me alone and stop following me around this message board to argue.

It's a message board where people often argue points with rebuttal. I don't understand why you are offended that people don't agree with your point. You think people don't get the point you're trying to make, but they do, they just don't agree, hence, the rebuttal.

 

[44slayer]

Okay, it’s evident I’m not seeing this the same way as you. This is my second time asking, please leave me alone and stop following me around this message board to argue.

See you around.

Ill quit rebutting you if you tell us how youre related to Dennis Allen.

 

[lilvipa221]

36 of those games were with the Raiders, a bottom 5 franchise in the NFL over the past 20 years

He's 10-13 as the Saints HC, Sean Payton was 13-10 after 23 games as Saints HC.

These are fun.

First 6 games as saints stats

Dalton - 1385 yds 10 tds 5 ints 26.8 ppg

Carr - 1299 yds 5 tds 3 ints 15.8 ppg

Jameis - 1114 yds 13 tds 3 ints 23.3 ppg


What do we learn from these exactly?

 

[sainthood]

Dennis Allen is like a vice president that hung around long enough to back door into being elected president. Allen shows no interest in the offensive side of the ball and appears clueless like he is the never should have been there manager just waiting for the business to declare bankruptcy.

After six games the records of teams Saints have played excluding games against the Saints 8-20 . Records of teams we have beaten counting games against Saints 3-15. We have the easiest schedule in the league on paper and we are underachieving on an inexcusable scale. With the talent we have on both sides of the ball we should be dominating this easy schedule instead of struggling to score more than one offensive touchdown a game. Something we have only done against the Panthers and Patriots who are a combined 1-11.

In watching the Texans game with my relatives, they kept asking me what's going on and I said overwhelmingly it is the coaching. It is the coaching. Our defensive scheme is modern but our offensive scheme only ever worked with a highly accurate quarterback and it is stale. The whole fan base knows what we are running and won't do and so does the opposing defensive. If they do X, they know the Saints offense will do Y and we get sacked because the routes are ill planned all go or a dump off where the running back just stands there with no designed route and gets tackled immediately. They look clueless as to how to fix it.

 

[Saint KayBee]

It's a message board where people often argue points with rebuttal. I don't understand why you are offended that people don't agree with your point. You think people don't get the point you're trying to make, but they do, they just don't agree, hence, the rebuttal.

Sure, but chasing me from thread to thread to write angry missives and making it personal is a step too far

 

[AmerVet]

Sure, but chasing me from thread to thread to write angry missives and making it personal is a step too far

I'm not a victim blamer but what did you do? Attacks are usually met with attacks. How do you engage with other people's post?

 

[44slayer]

I ignored the poster. We can all move on. I went back and read every response trying to find out the “personal” part of it, and it’s just a person countering the points of another person. Pretty much messageboarding. If you say something people vehemently disagree with on multiple threads, you have to accept that you’re going to get counterpointed in multiple threads.

But I won’t see the posts anymore to counter. Move on.

 

[Saint KayBee]

I'm not a victim blamer but what did you do? Attacks are usually met with attacks. How do you engage with other people's post?

I’m not an attacker, so this could be “picking on the new girl” or it could be all in my head. Whatever it is, the fact that it’s gotten personal makes me uncomfortable. I don’t assess then bash his character as a person based on support/disapproval of a player/coach on the team we both root for. He’s done it to me several times across threads.

 

[AmerVet]

I’m not an attacker, so this could be “picking on the new girl” or it could be all in my head. Whatever it is, the fact that it’s gotten personal makes me uncomfortable. I don’t assess then bash his character as a person based on support/disapproval of a player/coach on the team we both root for. He’s done it to me several times across threads.

Word of advice, stop taking anything here personal. The same posters who don't like your opinion on one subject might love your opinion on the next. Since you are new, know that you being a woman will never make you a target here. MadMarsha is by far one of my favorite posters here. I hope you realize that we argue a lot of points, but if you were at a game being attacked by opposing fans, we'd stand behind you.


I edited my comment because I don't want to downplay the seriousness of that movement

 

[sfidc3]

I’m actually well-aligned, once I’m being read to be understood me instead of reading me to argue with me.

I don’t like that DA retained PC in 2022, especially given the “how” of it all with PC not seeming to want the job. Then the QB situation became the unstable mess it was last season. Perhaps the team figured, “hey, let’s stabilize the QB position and try this again.” Now they’ve spent money on DC, figuring he’ll be the undisputed starter. PC & DC got the entire offseason to know each other and figure out a competent system, but that hardly seems to matter - the QB play resembles last year’s QB play. So now last year’s QB1, his now-departed backup, and a new QB1 have all struggled. They’re not aided by the fact that the concepts and designs all look lousy and outdated. So now here we are, six down/eleven up, offense looks like a bus stuck in mud, maybe like 7 posters here are fine with the offense, the rest of us want to see some sort of change at OC/play-caller, on a short week with a quality opponent next to play.

I am of the mindset that changes at OC must happen ASAP to hopefully salvage this season and get into the tournament. Win the division, guarantee a home game, let the rest of the chips fall where they may. I think the short week has the team behind an 8-ball, unfortunately, and no change is likely to be made this week, so we’re gonna have to watch this product at least one more time. In-house, to salvage this season, some combination of Kodi Burns, Ronald Curry, and Doug Marrone would probably be the move to make in terms of strategy/design, implementation/opening script, and in-game adjustment. See how that goes. If taking the headset from PC is all it takes to save the season, wonderful, fire PC, promote one of them, and keep it rolling. If it falls flat, find a young, hungry innovator from the college ranks, let him assemble a staff, start fresh in ‘24. If the defense crumbles amidst all this, clean house.

I don’t think there’s anything to argue with here, but I’ve been wrong before.

There is plenty to argue, if you are advocating for DA to keep his job if we fail....and by fail I mean not making the playoffs, even wild card and he deserves another year, but I don't see that happening right now, we will see if things change, its a long season....

Okay, it’s evident I’m not seeing this the same way as you. This is my second time asking, please leave me alone and stop following me around this message board to argue.

Perhaps you shouldn't be on board if you are that sensitive, it's not for everyone and arguing or discussing different viewpoints (and potentially learning from them) is kind of what this message board is all about.....if someone has personally insulted or made derogatory remarks about an individual poster the mods are pretty good about cleaning that stuff up.....

 

[perret318]

Sing it with me...

"Eighteen and forty-one... Toooo lame."

 

[meily]

Exactly. When I was in the military and the unit was failing at whatever the assignment, The blame didn't go on the SSgt, it went straight to the squad commander. If leadership was failing, They never hesitated to remove that person immediately. I was attached to a unit where the commander wouldn't put up with any mishaps by his subordinates. If you messed up, you'd better believe he would intensify training until he was confident that he knew we were all doing our job with maximum efficiency.

I think people are forgetting this is was a move with the intent to keep the continuity that Payton put together and the "Family" atmosphere the organization had become over the 16 years that Payton was the coach here, so when he left Ownership was not just going to fire coaches that helped create the environment so when DA was given the promotion it was DA and Loomis that wanted to keep as many familiar coaches they could keep as a sign of unity.

We saw this offseason that the defense got reshuffled with some quality coaches and I think its only fair that this offseason we allow DA to do the same for the offense when the inevitable changes are made, this to me is what we judge DA and Loomis on because in year three if things remain the same I can see DA and the Saints parting ways because coaches usually get 3 years to show improvement or a clear direction.

 

[LonghornSaintsFan]

This team is not going to make the playoffs with DA as head coach EVER, I am willing to stake my savings on it.

 

[Saint KayBee]

There is plenty to argue, if you are advocating for DA to keep his job if we fail....and by fail I mean not making the playoffs, even wild card and he deserves another year, but I don't see that happening right now, we will see if things change, its a long season....

There is nothing to "if" about here. I've named a condition under which I'd be fine with firing DA. It would require the defense, his specialty, also collapsing while the offense continues to flail with no attempts to fix it. This is what I mean about replying to argue instead of reading to understand. Even when I say "if XYZ happens, then the head coach can go, too" I'm told there's an argument to unearth.

Perhaps you shouldn't be on board if you are that sensitive, it's not for everyone and arguing or discussing different viewpoints (and potentially learning from them) is kind of what this message board is all about.....if someone has personally insulted or made derogatory remarks about an individual poster the mods are pretty good about cleaning that stuff up.....

The poster I was replying to assailed my character as a person based on my support for retaining the head coach, and did so without provocation or retaliation from me. That's never necessary, especially seeing how this is a forum board for one team, the same team we both root for, not the entire league. I would expect character attacks from rival fans. I don't regard "sensitive" as an insult, in fact being sensitive is one of my favorite things about myself.