2022--The Year We Move Up for a QB (2 Viewers)

[Taker597]

No QB is worth paying draft capital to get... And the best one that will fall into our lap would probably be Malik Willis. (Corral is my other QB, but he's gone.)

His mechanics are really raw and needs work. I'm not a big fan of the offense he runs and honestly a little too simple. Throws too many 50/50 balls. Excellent and quick in RPO,tho. Got good wheels... Plays a little like Wilson /Lamar hybrid. Got some great pocket mobility and elusiviness.

I think if you let Taysom go... Malik would be someone I'd look to replace him with... Kind of a poor man's Wilson, but with Wilson level of upside if he can master the NFL.

He struggles to see defenses through passing windows due to height. Gambles too often. Questionable ability to read coverage.

He has franchise potential, but isn't NFL ready on day one, game one, or game 17.

I'd definitely invest a high 2nd in him just to atleast gamble on his play making ability.

 

[No2DC]

The intellectual dishonesty in threads like this always astounds me.

ABJ "Anybody But Jameis" is a significant number of people on the board. Some people admit it, others don't.
I can be objective and say Winston has to earn it on the field this year and there is nothing we can say that will alter his on-field performance. However, his critics refuse to acknowledge that his potential/ceiling is higher than most guys that they bring up (I'm not claiming he's headed for the HOF).

 

[BBarnes]

I thought I typed AFC West champions. I read your post like "who mentioned anything about winning the AFC?" lol

But that being said, he was gifted a team that won the AFC West 3 years in a row who was STACKED on defense who lost those playoff games primarily due to Sutton's bend but don't break defense. They were 6th in total offense before Mahomes.

As far as LJ is concerned, when they knew he was going to be the man, they promptly revamped the offense and, top down, built it around him. Team and player investment that everyone doesn't get the benefit of.

This isn't about drafting young QBs; it is about doing so based off over preconceived notions, or overt/covert biases.



I mean, he had almost 20k and over 100 TDs playing behind a sub par O-line, sub par run game, and spotty tight end play. I always mention that when under scrutiny, the narrative cracks.

Narrative - In 2019, Bucs lost because of Jameis in his interceptions
Reality - In 2019, even with interceptions, the Bucs were tied with us for the #3 scoring offense (#1 total offense) while having the #29 scoring defense.

If you put up a blind poll and ask, "if a team with the #3 scoring offense and #29 scoring defense went 7-9, where should blame go?"

Mostly everyone will say "defense" but then you bring up the 2019 Bucs and then you get a whole lot of

We really don't know what we have because, unless other QBs, he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt for playing on an overall bad team with subpart coaching most of his time there.

I can’t speak for others, but when I’m having a conversation about Winston I don’t base one thing off anything with Tampa. I don’t care about Tampa Jameis. He had no stability in coordinators.

I go off what I see now. I have backed Winston from day one of him being signed here. I was a huge advocate for him winning the job. I’m skeptical of him with things I see when there’s any pressure at all. There’s thing I see that need to be cleaned up that I know will be tough for him to do, but I also know some of that will be fixed if we can get a have competent receiving core that doesn’t cause him to hold the ball for two years trying to let people get open.

If Payton thinks Winston needs to be our long term answer then I’m all for it. Let’s go!

I just have my doubts that that will be the case.