2022--The Year We Move Up for a QB (3 Viewers)

[Saintshizzle]

Been saying this! Mahommes, jackson, allen, herbert will be in playoff hunt every year. We don’t need to see anymore from Winston. If you watched last night you should have noticed a huge difference in Herberts play vs winston. Im not saying Jameis is bad at all but he definitely is NOT elite. I know all the sunshine pumpers want to believe that but its the truth. So lets roll with him this year and draft our franchise quarterback

I dont think you are wrong, just think we havent seen Jameis with the full ability to run this offense yet. Herbert has been hand held since the damn Draft in 2020. Jameis is learning a new system, with a coach that has made it his business to say "HE WONT THROW THAT MANY INTERCEPTIONS HERE....!". So, Jameis is allowing himself to humbly be walked thru like he was drafted in 2021 draft. I think its overkill as hell, and definitely makes you wonder, because all Sean had to do was let Jameis play his game and he will already be better. Jameis never threw 30 ints before Arians stupidity.

Since we feel like we need to Limit Jameis well HOW IN THE HELL CAN HE LOOK AS SMOOTH as he looked his freshman year or even another QB that got a full open highway to drive?

At least be honest about it, even if Jameis doesnt pan out for us.

 

[DerrickB]

This is my prediction. In the 2022 draft, the Saints will trade up in the first round to pick a quarterback. And if there is a quarterback Payton really likes, they will pay whatever price they have to pay to move up. My own favorite is Matt Corral of Ole Miss. Other quarterbacks listed as first-round possibilities are Carson Strong of Nevada. Malik Willis of Liberty, Sam Howel of North Carolina, and Spencer Rattler of Oklahoma.

But there are two types of teams in the NFL: Those that have a franchise quarterback and those that don't. The Saints currently fall in the latter category. Come 2022, we will fall in the former category.

None of those QBs that you mentioned are worth trading up for. It's just not a good QB class.

 

[Tony1Saintfan]

This is my prediction. In the 2022 draft, the Saints will trade up in the first round to pick a quarterback. And if there is a quarterback Payton really likes, they will pay whatever price they have to pay to move up. My own favorite is Matt Corral of Ole Miss. Other quarterbacks listed as first-round possibilities are Carson Strong of Nevada. Malik Willis of Liberty, Sam Howel of North Carolina, and Spencer Rattler of Oklahoma.

But there are two types of teams in the NFL: Those that have a franchise quarterback and those that don't. The Saints currently fall in the latter category. Come 2022, we will fall in the former category.

Corral is my favorite as well but I think it might cost us too much to move up to get him. I know it’s early in the season but Corral is being talked about as the favorite for the Heisman. If he does win it we would have to move up to the top 5 to get him.

 

[boo-boo]

Roethlisberger went to AFCCG in rookie year and won SB in year 2.

Mahomes in year 3.

Rookie QB doesn't mean your're 8-8 or worse for the next 3-4 years necessarily.

I'm not saying that we need to go draft a high pick QB. Just that nowadays your reasoning isn't the reason we shouldn't do it.

You picked 2 example of teams that were already really good teams.

KC had Alex smith and Steelers top qb was Tommy Maddox both had been to the playoffs in recent years.


If Winston continues to play the way he is and shows improvement when MT and Smith come back, the Saints will try to resign him. Everything you guys say he can't do he has done. Just go look at the highlight reels. Having only undrafted free agents to throw to is hurt the team bad right now. Not to mention that his #2 reciever is only 5ft 6.


As for Winston not being able to take the team to the SB, that is just garbage talk. This guy is a good qb. He can be great given the right chance.

It is far too early to Judge if he is the answer for the future or not. We are .500 and not a single one of our 2 losses is on him.

I already saw posts about what Daniel Jones did with out his top WRs. lets look at that

Kenny Galladay- former probowler/ 16 mill per year contract
John Ross- first round pick
Toney- 1st round pick
Evan Engram- averages 60 catches per year
Kyle Rudolph- 2 time probowler

Looking at this can you say he is doing more with the same weapons that winston has.
It not even close to same.

 

[2009ring]

You picked 2 example of teams that were already really good teams.

KC had Alex smith and Steelers top qb was Tommy Maddox both had been to the playoffs in recent years.


If Winston continues to play the way he is and shows improvement when MT and Smith come back, the Saints will try to resign him. Everything you guys say he can't do he has done. Just go look at the highlight reels. Having only undrafted free agents to throw to is hurt the team bad right now. Not to mention that his #2 reciever is only 5ft 6.


As for Winston not being able to take the team to the SB, that is just garbage talk. This guy is a good qb. He can be great given the right chance.

It is far too early to Judge if he is the answer for the future or not. We are .500 and not a single one of our 2 losses is on him.

I already saw posts about what Daniel Jones did with out his top WRs. lets look at that

Kenny Galladay- former probowler/ 16 mill per year contract
John Ross- first round pick
Toney- 1st round pick
Evan Engram- averages 60 catches per year
Kyle Rudolph- 2 time probowler

Looking at this can you say he is doing more with the same weapons that winston has.
It not even close to same.

We're already a good team too. We won the division last several years, and injuries aside have most of the same team back except the HOF QB.

 

[Jesse Custer]

The intellectual dishonesty in threads like this always astounds me.

 

[Whodat GT]

I say let's just come full circle and draft Arch Manning.

I mean, he's probably better now than anyone in next year's QB class anyway.

Tank for Arch

 

[Taker597]

If you draft a franchise QB in this weak draft. You're basically telling to the core of your team that in it's prime that we are no longer in the business of trying to win a championship for a couple of season.

Then, you expect Rattler or Corral to be franchise guy is asking a lot. This is the one QB draft class that isn't even worth it. 2021 was just so much better and we let it slip by... I think 2023 is a class I like a bit more...

 

[Taker597]

The intellectual dishonesty in threads like this always astounds me.

Anyone but Winston Hive just be straight lying to the point they rather see the Team worse off stuck in a 4 year committee with a rookie QB that don't even grade as high as your current QB.

 

[jahsoul357]

If you draft a franchise QB in this weak draft. You're basically telling to the core of your team that in it's prime that we are no longer in the business of trying to win a championship for a couple of season.

Then, you expect Rattler or Corral to be franchise guy is asking a lot. This is the one QB draft class that isn't even worth it.

Threads like this makes me question ones football acumen or they are so focused on the Saints that they can't see the forest for the trees. I hate to pick on this post but:

Been saying this! Mahommes, jackson, allen, herbert will be in playoff hunt every year. We don’t need to see anymore from Winston. If you watched last night you should have noticed a huge difference in Herberts play vs winston. Im not saying Jameis is bad at all but he definitely is NOT elite. I know all the sunshine pumpers want to believe that but its the truth. So lets roll with him this year and draft our franchise quarterback

-Mahomes was GIFTED the reigning AFC Champions. And folks wanted to put everything on Alex Smith for the reason they couldn't get over the hump but they won a SB the first year after Sutton was fired. Just saying.
-The Ravens offense was BUILT for Jackson
-The Bills and Chargers were building a strong team before each respective player was drafted (not to mention Diggs impact on the Bills in 2020)

None were the #1 pick and all got drafted into better situations (infinitely better in the case of Mahomes) than the one that you can easily dismiss. If you don't understand this difference, I don't know what to tell you.

 

[Saint Greg]

Threads like this makes me question ones football acumen or they are so focused on the Saints that they can't see the forest for the trees. I hate to pick on this post but:


-Mahomes was GIFTED the reigning AFC Champions. And folks wanted to put everything on Alex Smith for the reason they couldn't get over the hump but they won a SB the first year after Sutton was fired. Just saying.
-The Ravens offense was BUILT for Jackson
-The Bills and Chargers were building a strong team before each respective player was drafted (not to mention Diggs impact on the Bills in 2020)

None were the #1 pick and all got drafted into better situations (infinitely better in the case of Mahomes) than the one that you can easily dismiss. If you don't understand this difference, I don't know what to tell you.

Some really bad info there starting with the fact that the Chiefs hadn't been AFC Champions since 1969 when it was the AFL. He was gifted a wild card team. Not the reigning AFC Champions. And the Ravens built their offense around Jackson..They had to totally change it from Flacco to Jackson. So it's okay for those good teams to draft young quarterbacks. But it's not okay for our team to draft a young quarterback? We'd be sending the wrong signal to our vets. But they didn't?

 

[BBarnes]

Some really bad info there starting with the fact that the Chiefs hadn't been AFC Champions since 1969 when it was the AFL. He was gifted a wild card team. Not the reigning AFC Champions. And the Ravens built their offense around Jackson..They had to totally change it from Flacco to Jackson. So it's okay for those good teams to draft young quarterbacks. But it's not okay for our team to draft a young quarterback? We'd be sending the wrong signal to our vets. But they didn't?

People are too stuck in the old mindsets that young QB’s can’t perform at a championship level out the gate. Times have changed. Eli and Peyton were just talking the other day that most QB’s that come out now are so much further advanced and day 1 ready than at anytime in history.

There’s 3-4 QBs coming out next year that in the right system can win out the gate. But you’re going to have to give up a ton to get up there to get them.

It’s a little early to talk it, but I’d have to see a ton more out of Winston to think I’d want him to be the long term answer, although I think he’s far better than anything else we have right now

 

[SigFreudianSlip]

I don’t know that we should sell the farm to move up, but certainly take one with our own first or second rounder

I liked a lot of what I saw from Ian Book in the preseason and I think he has the mental tools and leadership skills, but I’m not sure he’s got it on the physical side. Would have loved to have seen a fourth preseason game.

Me too.
If Ian had it on the physical side I think he’d have been a first rounder.

 

[jahsoul357]

Some really bad info there starting with the fact that the Chiefs hadn't been AFC Champions since 1969 when it was the AFL. He was gifted a wild card team. Not the reigning AFC Champions. And the Ravens built their offense around Jackson..They had to totally change it from Flacco to Jackson. So it's okay for those good teams to draft young quarterbacks. But it's not okay for our team to draft a young quarterback? We'd be sending the wrong signal to our vets. But they didn't?

I thought I typed AFC West champions. I read your post like "who mentioned anything about winning the AFC?" lol

But that being said, he was gifted a team that won the AFC West 3 years in a row who was STACKED on defense who lost those playoff games primarily due to Sutton's bend but don't break defense. They were 6th in total offense before Mahomes.

As far as LJ is concerned, when they knew he was going to be the man, they promptly revamped the offense and, top down, built it around him. Team and player investment that everyone doesn't get the benefit of.

This isn't about drafting young QBs; it is about doing so based off over preconceived notions, or overt/covert biases.

People are too stuck in the old mindsets that young QB’s can’t perform at a championship level out the gate. Times have changed. Eli and Peyton were just talking the other day that most QB’s that come out now are so much further advanced and day 1 ready than at anytime in history.

There’s 3-4 QBs coming out next year that in the right system can win out the gate. But you’re going to have to give up a ton to get up there to get them.

It’s a little early to talk it, but I’d have to see a ton more out of Winston to think I’d want him to be the long term answer, although I think he’s far better than anything else we have right now

I mean, he had almost 20k and over 100 TDs playing behind a sub par O-line, sub par run game, and spotty tight end play. I always mention that when under scrutiny, the narrative cracks.

Narrative - In 2019, Bucs lost because of Jameis in his interceptions
Reality - In 2019, even with interceptions, the Bucs were tied with us for the #3 scoring offense (#1 total offense) while having the #29 scoring defense.

If you put up a blind poll and ask, "if a team with the #3 scoring offense and #29 scoring defense went 7-9, where should blame go?"

Mostly everyone will say "defense" but then you bring up the 2019 Bucs and then you get a whole lot of

We really don't know what we have because, unless other QBs, he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt for playing on an overall bad team with subpart coaching most of his time there.

 

[SaintStephen1]

This is my prediction. In the 2022 draft, the Saints will trade up in the first round to pick a quarterback. And if there is a quarterback Payton really likes, they will pay whatever price they have to pay to move up. My own favorite is Matt Corral of Ole Miss. Other quarterbacks listed as first-round possibilities are Carson Strong of Nevada. Malik Willis of Liberty, Sam Howel of North Carolina, and Spencer Rattler of Oklahoma.

But there are two types of teams in the NFL: Those that have a franchise quarterback and those that don't. The Saints currently fall in the latter category. Come 2022, we will fall in the former category.

I like Strong or the kid at Pitt Kenny Pickett.