{2023 Thread Bumped} Underhill Giving No Quarter to Nick Wright (1 Viewer)

[DaveXA]

Yea I’m not worried shout Shy and David leaving, or Marcus, but I agree with Nick on the general point. Folks here won’t tho lol.

If you think Nick has a valid point, well,, good luck to ya!

 

[Jesse Custer]

All our DTs played bad last year. Crazy how good the LBs performed despite the DT play in front of them.

Noooooo we need Kwon because he's bigger and taller than Pete Werner

 

[DaveXA]

yea, its nothing to get upset about. Saints have to be careful with our signings and lack thereof. We are in tread lightly years and have been for about 2 years now.

Well, thankfully, we have a GM who knows what he's doing. 16 years in the business with a pretty solid track record. You'd think they deserve the benefit of the doubt. But armchair GMs and all that.

 

[livefromDC]

Nick Wright is not completely wrong. We are losing players due to our cap that is pushed back etc. It's pretty factual, we don't have a fountain of infinity cap.

Sigh...it actually is. That's the point. As long as the cap exists the way it does, it's basically a fountain of infinity.

 

[HattiesburgWhoDat]

Yes we underperformed big time last year. Rush defense and containment was a joke.

Containment (especially against running QB's) has been a joke for years.

 

[SigFreudianSlip]

If you think Nick has a valid point, well,, good luck to ya!

I think we’ve lost some good talent due to the way the cap is managed, yes. Not speaking about Tuttle and Onyemata tho. Lol

I respect that others may not see it the same way I do.

 

[livefromDC]

What makes you say they signed for more money than we could afford? Could it not be that we just wanted to go in a different direction? We literally just gave the biggest contract in free agency a week ago

RIGHT. If money was the issue, the Saints could have signed Jimmy G and kept both players. That's not what the Saints wanted to do.

I wish people would get it. The Saints sign who they want to sign. If they wanted Onyemata to be a Saint no matter what, he'd be a Saint. They had a price in mind, and Onyemata wanted more than that. They let him walk.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Tom Green really fell off

Gotta be bad When you fall off from Freddy Got Fingered

 

[RebSaint]

Letting guys like Onyemata and Tuttle is the very definition of NOT "kicking the can down the road."

The Saints have been strategic in the guys they give long-term contracts.

The organization has always ends up under the cap by re-structuring deals and letting guys walk who they think are asking too much, or they have other plans for re-signing players, etc.

The details can get granular, but the basic premise is that any team can be "over the cap" before another fiscal year begins, but with the cap going steadily up, re-working contracts has been a SOP to get cap compliance, often with a bit of wiggle room to sign a few FAs.

 

[DaveXA]

I think we’ve lost some good talent due to the way the cap is managed, yes. Not speaking about Tuttle and Onyemata tho. Lol

I respect that others may not see it the same way I do.

Sure, but that often has more to do with players and teams going in different directions than purely dollars and salary cap. Every team in the league deals with good players coming and going. Nature of the business.

 

[No2DC]

Nick Wright is not completely wrong. We are losing players due to our cap that is pushed back etc. It's pretty factual, we don't have a fountain of infinity cap.

This is how the budget FA philosophy narrative starts.

 

[Covington Saint]

Nature of the salary cap business.

 

[DaveXA]

This is how the budget FA philosophy narrative starts.

Explain.

 

[St. Geezy]

 

[No2DC]

RIGHT. If money was the issue, the Saints could have signed Jimmy G and kept both players. That's not what the Saints wanted to do.

I wish people would get it. The Saints sign who they want to sign. If they wanted Onyemata to be a Saint no matter what, he'd be a Saint. They had a price in mind, and Onyemata wanted more than that. They let him walk.

It's a philosophical difference that emerged during the Brees era; we have lost good players because of it. I think Trey was a cap casualty and no one on our D is getting sacks like that. Also, the only way we keep players is to reset the restructure machine. I think it's fine when you're knocking on the door but no one really believes we are knocking with the current regime.