2024 Tropical Weather Thread (10 Viewers)

[GrandAdmiral]

white knuckle flight. Ive had one recent- out of Orlando in spring ( when several flights into Orl/Tampa etc were diverted ) with a massive front coming down. The first 20 min of that flight was not fun. With wife/kids. Dont talk to me, dont look at me. I have to find a point on horizon to stare.

Because if i start seeing the "yawing/ptiching" of the nose of aircraft, ill pass out lol.

Also why i will always pay extra to choose seat- cannot sit in rear for that very reason.

I couldn't see anything outside my window other than the closest turbine. Couldn't see the ground until we were perhaps 1,000 feet from landing.

 

[Bill]

I think that's a fair assessment - but I'm not sure it makes it any less stupid. It's certainly counter-evolutionary (devolutionary?). When an idea is true because it is real, no one is telling you what to think - it's not an exercise in control. It's an exercise in understanding the reality of the world you live in. Choosing to reject it purely as an assertion of free will is nothing other than elective stupidity.

For example:
Caveman 1: Don't step off of that cliff, gravity will pull you down into the rocks and you die.

Caveman 2: I choose not to believe in gravity, not because I don't think it's real but because I refuse to be told what to think.

Narrator: Caveman 2 has died on the rocks.

Yes it is definitely stupidity. And that's simply because it is ignoring reality at the most basic level of reason & understanding.

Perhaps that's why such people choose to adhere to conspiracies that do not affect them directly. For example; a 'Flat Earther' knows that he will never actually fall off the edge of the earth. So he can continue to tout that there is a definitive edge of this 'huge disc' without any fear that he could die that way. But if there was an off-the-wall theory or conspiracy that would clearly endanger them in a direct way, it wouldn't be one that he would choose to challenge.

The only thing that is 'evolving' here is the stubborn desire to oppose all authority. We live in a society today where people will disagree simply to disagree, because they do not wish to conform to anything. It's their definition of being 'their own person'. How sad.

 

[Bill]

there is certainly a deliberate contrary-ness to it, but there is the irony of 'i want to be different just like these other folk'
like the cool kids who need to make a big show about how little they care about anything

In Mending Wall - Frost's beautiful poem - he ends with:
He will not go behind his father’s saying,
And he likes having thought of it so well
He says again, ‘Good fences make good neighbors.’
indicating that the guy imagines he came up with this insightful phrase/concept, but really he's just aping what his father said

flat earth/hurricane control
it's the illusion of independent thought wrapped in the cozy blanket of group think

Good explanation.

It's like some kid that is taking the lyrics of Tom Sawyer by Rush to the extreme.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

Good explanation.

It's like some kid that is taking the lyrics of Tom Sawyer by Rush to the extreme.

ha! yup - love the reference

 

[GrandAdmiral]

Looking at the traffic jams... Does Florida not have a contraflow system like the one in Louisiana/Mississippi?

 

[FLEA]

Looking at the traffic jams... Does Florida not have a contraflow system like the one in Louisiana/Mississippi?

They do not have contraflow , but they do open up the shoulders of the roads

 

[Madmarsha]

Looking at the traffic jams... Does Florida not have a contraflow system like the one in Louisiana/Mississippi?

Nope.

 

[superchuck500]

white knuckle flight. Ive had one recent- out of Orlando in spring ( when several flights into Orl/Tampa etc were diverted ) with a massive front coming down. The first 20 min of that flight was not fun. With wife/kids. Dont talk to me, dont look at me. I have to find a point on horizon to stare.

Because if i start seeing the "yawing/ptiching" of the nose of aircraft, ill pass out lol.

Also why i will always pay extra to choose seat- cannot sit in rear for that very reason.

In the late 90s, I flew from Charlotte to New Bern, NC - a small airport about 35 miles inland from the lower Outer Banks. We flew into New Bern into the edge of a tropical storm that made landfall overnight that night. I'm not sure exactly which year it was, but I think it may have been Tropical Storm Dennis (formerly Hurricane Dennis) was moving toward the NC coast after meandering a bit in the Atlantic over the Labor Day weekend in 1999.

We were in an American Airlines regional operator, flying a Saab 340 twin turboprop. Things were fine until we got close to the field and then it got super nasty. I couldn't see the ground until we just about hit the deck. The plane was yawing all over the place, the props groaning into the wind. I'm certain that we were the last flight they let in before the storm hit.

I remember that the coolest thing was when we got to the deplaning area (it was one of those external stair sets on wheels - not a jetway), the pilot got out and yelled at the grounds crew because they had us facing into the rain, making it worse for all of us to deplane. I remember thinking "this guy is bad arse!"

I was in my 20s and don't recall being that frightened - but I'm sure it would be terrifying if I had done it more recently.

 

[Saintman2884]

Good explanation.

It's like some kid that is taking the lyrics of Tom Sawyer by Rush to the extreme.

I don't think we can use these examples as proof that Rush were arguing for conformity and were typical, big-government liberals while at the same time, expousing late 60's anti-authoritian, anti-establishment ethos, too. Rush referenced quite a bit of libertarian concepts/themes in their songs.

 

[Saintman2884]

Yes it is definitely stupidity. And that's simply because it is ignoring reality at the most basic level of reason & understanding.Perhaps that's why such people choose to adhere to conspiracies that do not affect them directly. For example; a 'Flat Earther' knows that he will never actually fall off the edge of the earth. So he can continue to tout that there is a definitive edge of this 'huge disc' without any fear that he could die that way. But if there was an off-the-wall theory or conspiracy that would clearly endanger them in a direct way, it wouldn't be one that he would choose to challenge.The only thing that is 'evolving' here is the stubborn desire to oppose all authority. We live in a society today where people will disagree simply to disagree, because they do not wish to conform to anything. It's their definition of being 'their own person'. How sad.

Does that also include the same 9/11 "Truthers" conspiracies or how the CIA supposedly faked the Apollo 11 moon landings to deflect from bitter, divisive war in Vietnam and still-high racial tension from race riots in the late 60's?

If we're going to name names or conspiracies, might as well name a few more that are equally polarizing and stupid as well.

 

[saintmdterps]

We are all a product of our own information bubbles. If people get their information from Facebook or Talk Radio, then this is the type of information they may consume and if you keep telling people the same thing over and over, eventually enough will believe it.

The first I remember hearing about the government controlling the weather was Rush talking about the HAARP array and Obama shooting radio waves into the ionosphere to steer the weather around. Strange how when Trump was in office he never steered the storms away from Republican leaning areas, but now that Biden is in office, he is ramping them up and sending them straight for Republican voters because obviously election interference. No mention of global climate change or their own impacts on weather patterns.

I used to believe that global warming was all bunk myself, but eventually, my own eyes show me the proof. Storms are stronger now than they were 10-15-20-25 years ago. Gulf waters are much warmer than previously and the extremes of weather have become much more extreme. 100 year storms are now much more common. The Earth will correct herself, even if that means destroying the thing causing the warming by wiping out the human race.

And if humans become extinct it will no to the grief of no other species on the planet

 

[Saintman2884]

Yes it is definitely stupidity. And that's simply because it is ignoring reality at the most basic level of reason & understanding.

Perhaps that's why such people choose to adhere to conspiracies that do not affect them directly. For example; a 'Flat Earther' knows that he will never actually fall off the edge of the earth. So he can continue to tout that there is a definitive edge of this 'huge disc' without any fear that he could die that way. But if there was an off-the-wall theory or conspiracy that would clearly endanger them in a direct way, it wouldn't be one that he would choose to challenge.

The only thing that is 'evolving' here is the stubborn desire to oppose all authority. We live in a society today where people will disagree simply to disagree, because they do not wish to conform to anything. It's their definition of being 'their own person'. How sad.

Their were those during the initial Covid-19 pandemic that argued the Coronavirus wad possibly made from "gain-of-function" testing in man-made, Chinese Wuhan labs. They were ridiculed, laughed at and shouted down until maybe late 2021 the CDC came out with a statement that essentially said they couldn't discount, or rule out the possibility of some aspects related to Covid-19 maybe originated in a lab.

I'm not saying we should listen to Flat-Earthers, but I do believe, unlike the smartasses at Birds Don't Exist, that their are maybe a few "conspiracy theories" like UFO's/USO's, JFK assassination theories that could some credence to them because the government has never fully been honest or candid about information related to these topics.

 

[saintmdterps]

I think that's a fair assessment - but I'm not sure it makes it any less stupid. It's certainly counter-evolutionary (devolutionary?). When an idea is true because it is real, no one is telling you what to think - it's not an exercise in control. It's an exercise in understanding the reality of the world you live in. Choosing to reject it purely as an assertion of free will is nothing other than elective stupidity.

For example:
Caveman 1: Don't step off of that cliff, gravity will pull you down into the rocks and you die.

Caveman 2: I choose not to believe in gravity, not because I don't think it's real but because I refuse to be told what to think.

Narrator: Caveman 2 has died on the rocks.

A college educated friend of mine uses exactly that same logic when he refuses to wear a seatbelt. He’ll sing a different tale if he does the windshield taste test

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

I don't think we can use these examples as proof that Rush were arguing for conformity and were typical, big-government liberals while at the same time, expousing late 60's anti-authoritian, anti-establishment ethos, too. Rush referenced quite a bit of libertarian concepts/themes in their songs.

I read Ayn Rand bc of Rush and still don't hold it against them

 

[Wisco Steve]

I really appreciate the folks staying on topic here. Getting really scared for my Dad riding this S O B out in North Port FL and the updates are very useful for me.