A microcosm of Winston’s career (2 Viewers)

[DSnfla]

Honestly, Taysom shouldn't even be a third QB, he should be a true H-back. We could have so many RPO packages with AK in the backfield and Taysom in motion but that would require this small thing called, creativity. *shrugs*.

I think TH is right where he should be. BUT I'd like to see more plays designed for him to start the play with QB sweep and throw off that. Also that Tebow run jump pass would be great. While QB power and QB sweep are really hard to stop even though they know it's coming we need to plant that TH will throw off those formations to put indecision in the D's mind

 

[DSnfla]

Agreed 100%. That play was dead the moment the ball was snapped. Wasn't mad at that arm punt but you next point is on point.

That 2nd interception was bad and he should have taken the check down but what only a few people are talking about is the fact that we were still pass heavy after we got to a single score. CSP would have dialed up plays appropriate to the situation. But you are 100% right in the fact that PC might not be coaching and just play calling. He can still design plays but we need an OC to take charge, like good ole EB is doing in Washington.

I have a running theory about that...haha.

How in all that is holy could you be ok with the ARM PUNT??? It's 3rd and THREE with 3:14 left . Yes AK missed the block but that guy so telegraphed that blitz and JW looks right at him and SEES HIM COMING . All he had to do was throw it out of bounds in the direction of CO, But JW robs us of a chance to go for it on 4th and 3 with 3:14 left on our own 45 . It was a poor choice

 

[BoxerJoe]

People forget he was hit in the face mask on that play.

Yep.

 

[DaveXA]

Yep.

Yep, that gets called 10 times out of 10 in today's NFL. Should have been called then too. So the no-call that led to OT and this no-call in OT. Crazy.

 

[DSnfla]

From 2006 to 2016, Drew Brees threw 167 interceptions. There is only ONE person during that entire span that threw more interceptions than Drew. Most of us as a fanbase didn't care because we loved the TDs that came with it. This isn't about a favorite player. Maybe it is time that we, as a fanbase, destroy this imaginary version of Drew that we built in our head so we can accurately evaluate a QB.

Drew is one of the greatest QBs to ever step on the field and one of the most accurate to do so, but he was far from perfect. It seems like we really have forgotten what Drew looked like in his prime. I saw Drew throw those 7 TDs against the Giants but I also saw Drew throw 5 interceptions and not a single TD against the Falcons. I saw Drew lead the greatest offense I've seen in my life in 2011. I also saw Drew throw 22 interceptions the season prior. I didn't wake up one morning and decide that one happened and the other did. Drew was considered a gunslinger in his prime and once upon a time, we understood the good and the bad that came with that. Until we decided that an idealized version of the 2017-2020 Drew is the only that should exist.

LOL you do that bud I'll bet in those 10 yrs DB threw more PASSES than anyone else. More passes = more chances for picks . also My mantra " Not All Picks Are The Fault Of The QB " One of the reasons I don't fault JW for the 30 picks that yr

 

[DSnfla]

I'm not making a comparison. I'm showing that you don't care about the result as oppose to who does it. And also showing that you might have a case of the "Breezus Syndrone" This is the deification of Drew which absolved him from every bad play that he ever had, heighten ability to perform a full field read in less than 2 seconds, has never thrown an interception that was his fault, and all of the other fake attributes that we tie to Drew. All jokes aside, the reality is, because this is how we view Drew, we can never properly evaluate the QB position. We are comparing everyone to a version of Drew that never existed. I don't have to make a comparison to Drew with anyone and I didn't make a comparison. I stated a verifiable fact; Drew threw a lot of interceptions and none of us cared because we loved the TDs that came with it. The moment that I knew 2009 was probably going to end with a SB trip was that Meacham strip. We love the strip but forget that the interception came on Drew moonwalking under pressure and throwing into triple coverage off his back foot. Pepperidge Farm didn't forget and neither did I.

It's not about poor play from either QB; it's about the expectation of perfection because that's what people equate to Drew, which is false.

Yes you ARE making that comparison, EVERY TIME someone points a flaw in JW you say "Well DB did did that too"

 

[DSnfla]

I'm not making a comparison. I'm showing that you don't care about the result as oppose to who does it. And also showing that you might have a case of the "Breezus Syndrone" This is the deification of Drew which absolved him from every bad play that he ever had, heighten ability to perform a full field read in less than 2 seconds, has never thrown an interception that was his fault, and all of the other fake attributes that we tie to Drew. All jokes aside, the reality is, because this is how we view Drew, we can never properly evaluate the QB position. We are comparing everyone to a version of Drew that never existed. I don't have to make a comparison to Drew with anyone and I didn't make a comparison. I stated a verifiable fact; Drew threw a lot of interceptions and none of us cared because we loved the TDs that came with it. The moment that I knew 2009 was probably going to end with a SB trip was that Meacham strip. We love the strip but forget that the interception came on Drew moonwalking under pressure and throwing into triple coverage off his back foot. Pepperidge Farm didn't forget and neither did I.

It's not about poor play from either QB; it's about the expectation of perfection because that's what people equate to Drew, which is false.

NO ONE here EVER said that DB was perfect. But every time someone points out an issue with JW your first response is "Well DB was not perfect"
That's a comparison to DB

 

[jahsoul357]

How in all that is holy could you be ok with the ARM PUNT??? It's 3rd and THREE with 3:14 left . Yes AK missed the block but that guy so telegraphed that blitz and JW looks right at him and SEES HIM COMING . All he had to do was throw it out of bounds in the direction of CO, But JW robs us of a chance to go for it on 4th and 3 with 3:14 left on our own 45 . It was a poor choice

We don't even know if he was trying to get it out of bounds or not but Winston got blasted the moment he let go of the ball. I don't know what he was trying to do but if we are giving passes for getting hit in the facemask, getting blasted by a free rusher that AK didn't pick up should have some level of goodwill. *shrugs*.

LOL you do that bud I'll bet in those 10 yrs DB threw more PASSES than anyone else. More passes = more chances for picks . also My mantra " Not All Picks Are The Fault Of The QB " One of the reasons I don't fault JW for the 30 picks that yr

Actually, if you remember those times, it wasn't the volume of passes that's caused the interceptions. Drew's interceptions normally came throwing the ball further down the field. Tom Brady the last 11 season of his career averaged 20 less passes a season that Drew, but his interception rate is an entire percentage point lower, because he has always thrown the ball shorter. Drew's interception rate plummeted when he went all in on the dink and dunk.

Yes you ARE making that comparison, EVERY TIME someone points a flaw in JW you say "Well DB did did that too"

NO ONE here EVER said that DB was perfect. But every time someone points out an issue with JW your first response is "Well DB was not perfect"
That's a comparison to DB

You are really misreading my post. If you ever really look into it, I say that I really don't care about certain things as much as others because I saw Drew do it. I keep the same energy, no matter who is under center. I didn't care about interceptions when Drew was averaging 16 interceptions a season, why should I care about them now, as long as they come with points. Most are wanting to turn it into a comparison when in reality, it's me saying that if you really looked at Drew's game like you said you did, you shouldn't be tripping as hard. I didn't act like the Pre 2015 Drew Brees never existed because the pass game got quicker and he threw less interceptions but the problem is that's the version of Drew that a lot holds dear. My favorite version of Drew was the one that didn't mind tight window throws down field, threw up 50/50 balls so his play makers could have a chance, and would let it rip without hesitation. That came with turnovers and "what the crap" throws at times but that man also averaged nearly 40TDs a season. I keep the same energy, no matter who the player is, and the player doesn't make me look at the result any different.

 

[DaveXA]

We don't even know if he was trying to get it out of bounds or not but Winston got blasted the moment he let go of the ball. I don't know what he was trying to do but if we are giving passes for getting hit in the facemask, getting blasted by a free rusher that AK didn't pick up should have some level of goodwill. *shrugs*.

Lol, making nonsensical comparisons isn't helping your argument.

Actually, if you remember those times, it wasn't the volume of passes that's caused the interceptions. Drew's interceptions normally came throwing the ball further down the field. Tom Brady the last 11 season of his career averaged 20 less passes a season that Drew, but his interception rate is an entire percentage point lower, because he has always thrown the ball shorter. Drew's interception rate plummeted when he went all in on the dink and dunk.

No idea why you insist on continuing the DB discussion. It's irrelevant.

You are really misreading my post. If you ever really look into it, I say that I really don't care about certain things as much as others because I saw Drew do it. I keep the same energy, no matter who is under center. I didn't care about interceptions when Drew was averaging 16 interceptions a season, why should I care about them now, as long as they come with points. Most are wanting to turn it into a comparison when in reality, it's me saying that if you really looked at Drew's game like you said you did, you shouldn't be tripping as hard. I didn't act like the Pre 2015 Drew Brees never existed because the pass game got quicker and he threw less interceptions but the problem is that's the version of Drew that a lot holds dear. My favorite version of Drew was the one that didn't mind tight window throws down field, threw up 50/50 balls so his play makers could have a chance, and would let it rip without hesitation. That came with turnovers and "what the crap" throws at times but that man also averaged nearly 40TDs a season. I keep the same energy, no matter who the player is, and the player doesn't make me look at the result any different.

And how is any of this relevant to Winston?

 

[Saintamaniac]

Any time you have those opportunities at the end of the game, and on something like a 3rd and 3 with open check downs, and throw an interception, it’s going to be criticized. And it should be.

The last int was horrible too.

Notice how I haven’t said a QB name in this post.

The defense cost us that game let’s be honest with ourselves, shouldn’t have been put in a position to pull off that big of a come back, but the interceptions at the end were unnecessary and ruined a great effort in the second half of what I felt should have been a game we found a way to win. It was there but we lacked the poise to make the biggest plays at the biggest time at the end.

No disputing that.

Absolutely! 3rd and 3 and IMO, TH7 should have had the ball in his hands with a RPO. I trust Hill and the offense to pickup 3 yards in two attempts more than I do with Carr or Winston and it shouldn't be hard to understand why. And it's not the first game this season that the defense cost us. And I say this fully knowing that Winston could not return to the game had Hill come in. Hill's ability to make plays with his feet while still having the defense have to protect the possibility of a pass gives us a better chance to score in that situation IMO.

 

[jahsoul357]

Lol, making nonsensical comparisons isn't helping your argument.

So he didn’t get blasted releasing the ball?

No idea why you insist on continuing the DB discussion. It's irrelevant.

Because I was reply to a post about Drew

And how is any of this relevant to Winston?

Because, again, I was replying to a post about Drew.

People get upset when I say I don’t care that much about certain things because I saw Drew do it plenty. I choose to keep same energy about results, regardless of who performs the action. So why should I act like interceptions are the worst thing in the world when I saw plenty for an 11 year span?

 

[sfidc3]

Nothing DB did in the past has any bearing on what JW does now....DB is the far superior QB to anyone we have ever had on a Saints roster.....

All QB's throw INT's and all throw TD's.....what I find totally irrational is the unending criticism our backup QB (JW) for actually producing more than 5 times the amount of points (then our starter Carr, with the same offense, mind you) in a fraction of the time in a desperate attempt to comeback in a game that was really lost in the 1st half....

And statements like "I never want to see another Saint QB throw a ball like JW threw to Perry" is ridiculous on its face....yes, I would rather see Carr throw an incompletion or a pass behind the LOS? Totally Absurd....

JW trusts WR's to make plays on 50/50 balls, sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't.....even when it works out he gets criticized....

And to make matters worse QB isn't even the biggest issue on this team right now and we all know that....

 

[jahsoul357]

And to make matters worse QB isn't even the biggest issue on this team right now and we all know that....

And if more people are honest about the situation, going back to last season, it never was.....

 

[DaveXA]

So he didn’t get blasted releasing the ball?

He got the ball where he wanted it to go. It's simple, throw it away in that spot. This is hardly a new issue for him. The ball made it 30-40 yards down the field. All he had to do was direct it to the right and it goes out of bounds, but instead, he forced the issue.

Because I was reply to a post about Drew

Because, again, I was replying to a post about Drew.

You can say comparing Drew is absurd too instead of playing that game.

People get upset when I say I don’t care that much about certain things because I saw Drew do it plenty. I choose to keep same energy about results, regardless of who performs the action. So why should I act like interceptions are the worst thing in the world when I saw plenty for an 11 year span?

It's a nonsensical argument. But hey, if making those kinds of illogical arguments floats your boat, go for it. But don't be surprised with the pushback you're gonna get.

 

[BreesusSaves]

Yep, that gets called 10 times out of 10 in today's NFL. Should have been called then too. So the no-call that led to OT and this no-call in OT. Crazy.

And to this day people argue that game wasn't rigged.