Allen better not mess around with naming Rattler QB#2 (1 Viewer)

[BayouSAINTJoe]

I will never understand why this is such a big deal to fans. It's crazy! We have spent more time this off season discussing what Allen better do with the number 2 QB spot than anything else.

We are keeping both, it does not matter who gets the number 2 nod. If and when this bad OL gets Carr hurt, then we can worry about it. Rattler could be the number 3 and Carr get hurt in week 8, Rattler in those 8 weeks could make up the difference and then be the number 2. Rattler could be the number 2 and regress and be the 3.

I have given Allen hell over the last year, but this just seems like a lot of people looking for a reason to pile on. Spencer looks more like a NFL QB than Jake has yet in his career and Spencer certainly is more athletic with the ball in his hands which is valuable with a terrible OL like we have. So, I think he should be the number 2, but it isn't the end of the world regardless and unless Carr gets hurt or is just awful you would not see Spencer as a starter here until the season after next.

As self appointed Emperer of the DGG Committee, I will say that we have so much to pile on DA that we don't need to concern ourselves with the QB2 (non)controversy. Being said, it's pretty much inconsequential...because if one has to play chances are the other is going to get a shot as well. Funny enough, the problem that's existed for the past 6QBs is the problem that's going to probably force them all into action at some point.

 

[saintsmarchin]

I would name him #3 just to put a bigger chip on his shoulder. Guy is going to be our future though.

 

[St. Widge]

I am all in for Carr doing well and think he is very talented and our best chance at success the next 2 seasons. We are luck to have him. But I also believe that the future is in the building, and it’s not Jake Haener.

I don't disagree. I think that Rattler is the future at QB. But I also think he needs time to develop. Some of that will come with practice reps but given the very few practices in season, even the #2 doesn't get many reps. A lot of Rattler's learning during the season will come in the film room and from learning from Carr by talking things over. He'll also learn from being on the sideline and seeing what adjustments are made and why. He doesn't have to be the #2 QB for him to develop.

I think he is the #2 QB but it's really not that big of a deal if he isn't listed #2. Like I said, I think it's possible that Haener would come into the game if Carr went down in game due to his extra year of NFL experience and not wanting to put that much pressure on Ratter. But, I think it's also possible that if they have a week to prepare they would start Rattler over Haener. Particularly later in the season.

But, in the end, I don't think it's that big of a deal. Rattler is 1 to 2 years away from being the full time starter unless Carr has a major, long term injury. That is if he continues to develop the way he has so far.

 

[Artifactual]

I am all in for Carr doing well and think he is very talented and our best chance at success the next 2 seasons. We are lucky to have him. But I also believe that the future is in the building, and it’s not Jake Haener.

We have an acknowledged Haener Hater in the house.

Nonsense about Feelings. But to be fair, as humans we all have them. Jake has them as well as Spencer. However, they both understand that this is the NFL and letting your feelings get in the way of the teams best interests and allowing your feelings to impact your career is not the way to approach this job.

To put this in better context, do you think that a player will be crushed that he wasn't name as a Team Captain to the point that he will let it get in his head and allow t to have a negative effect on his play throughout the season, or worse yet, destroy his confidence and his career?

C'mon Man!!!

How about we just let things play out and hope for both of these young QBs to develop to next level talents with the Saints. That's a win-win!

 

[TribuneUK]

Allen better not mess around with naming Rattler QB#2. He clearly outplayed Haener in 2 pre season games. In the post game press conference you could hear Allen already posturing for Jake to be #2. He said Haener took a big step forward the last week of practice and was not sure of the reasons it did not show up in the game. To me that is him creating reasons to hold Rattler down.

He better not do that because the majority of fans are very excited about Rattler and will be angry with Allen if he is made QB3. Also Rattler himself will feel shunned because he earned it. If you are a smart coach, I am making friends with this kid, because he is a future star and you don’t want him trying to find a way out of New Orleans later because he was not allowed to play.

DON’T SCREW THIS UP ALLEN!!!

Or you'll do what exactly?

 

[TribuneUK]

I don't disagree. I think that Rattler is the future at QB. But I also think he needs time to develop. Some of that will come with practice reps but given the very few practices in season, even the #2 doesn't get many reps. A lot of Rattler's learning during the season will come in the film room and from learning from Carr by talking things over. He'll also learn from being on the sideline and seeing what adjustments are made and why. He doesn't have to be the #2 QB for him to develop.

I think he is the #2 QB but it's really not that big of a deal if he isn't listed #2. Like I said, I think it's possible that Haener would come into the game if Carr went down in game due to his extra year of NFL experience and not wanting to put that much pressure on Ratter. But, I think it's also possible that if they have a week to prepare they would start Rattler over Haener. Particularly later in the season.

But, in the end, I don't think it's that big of a deal. Rattler is 1 to 2 years away from being the full time starter unless Carr has a major, long term injury. That is if he continues to develop the way he has so far.

Agreed, except for the fact that if they had a week to prepare, they'd give JH the reps in practice and play him until he proved he wasn't up to it. Then they'd turn to SR through necessity.

NB. In the rush to crown a new QB, people seem happy to ignore that we don't see how these guys perform the majority of the time, instead focusing everything into the microcosm of limited game reps. It's like deciding if someone's guilty in a murder trial, while only reviewing 20% of the evidence.

 

[Jesse Custer]

Because naming QB2 is what will make the difference of us winning the NFC South.

It just might.

 

[BreesusSaves]

It just might.

Trevor Penning and the right side of the offensive line will have far more to do with the Saints success than whatever the QB depth chart looks like. If that side of the OL can't find some kind of consistency on passing plays, being #2 on the QB depth chart just means they'll be the second dead body carted off the field that game instead of the third.

 

[St. Widge]

Agreed, except for the fact that if they had a week to prepare, they'd give JH the reps in practice and play him until he proved he wasn't up to it. Then they'd turn to SR through necessity.

NB. In the rush to crown a new QB, people seem happy to ignore that we don't see how these guys perform the majority of the time, instead focusing everything into the microcosm of limited game reps. It's like deciding if someone's guilty in a murder trial, while only reviewing 20% of the evidence.

I'm honestly not sure what they would do if they had a week to prepare. It could depend on how the season is going and how late in the season it happened.

 

[Artifactual]

Agreed, except for the fact that if they had a week to prepare, they'd give JH the reps in practice and play him until he proved he wasn't up to it. Then they'd turn to SR through necessity.

NB. In the rush to crown a new QB, people seem happy to ignore that we don't see how these guys perform the majority of the time, instead focusing everything into the microcosm of limited game reps.

Valid points and a fair analysis.

It's like deciding if someone's guilty in a murder trial, while only reviewing 20% of the evidence.

You had me until this.

What if the 20% of evidence consisted of having the murder weapon as evidence with fingerprints and dna of the accussed on it, along with 10 collaborating eye witnesses and multi videos of the crime in its entireity that all confirm that the person charged is guilty?

 

[St. Widge]

It just might.

I tend to think that if Carr goes down for any length of time the season is really over. I don't think Rattler or Haener are ready to be NFL starters. But, I do think that Rattler gives you a better chance to win a game since he could get lucky on some deep throws with that arm on play action passes and with his mobility. But, the run game is going to have to vastly improve over last year for even that to happen.

 

[perret318]

The same HC who kept the albatross PC?

Yes, that coach. The same one who made A, B, C to Z decisions that didn't turn out well, or that you disagree with. The same coach who I myself have stated on here that I think should be replaced.

That guy STILL knows more about head coaching in the NFL and more about the actual team than ANYONE on this board, sitting on your little couch, watching a few preseason games, listening to your little reports, and reading your little stories. As a fan, I can easily and readily admit that. It's pretty obvious.

 

[HattiesburgWhoDat]

All this for the freakin back up QB?

 

[BayouSAINTJoe]

Or you'll do what exactly?

Not a rocket scientist by any stretch...but im thinking he's going to make noise.

 

[St. Widge]

Yes, that coach. The same one who made A, B, C to Z decisions that didn't turn out well, or that you disagree with. The same coach who I myself have stated on here that I think should be replaced.

That guy STILL knows more about head coaching in the NFL and more about the actual team than ANYONE on this board, sitting on your little couch, watching a few preseason games, listening to your little reports, and reading your little stories. As a fan, I can easily and readily admit that. It's pretty obvious.

You wouldn't say things like that if I was holding a Microsoft Surface Pro as is Spencer Rattler's God given right.