Alvin Kamara indicted. Court date is set for March 2. (2 Viewers)

[bigdaddysaints]

its crazy. Some people watch the video and say AK is in even more hot water now because of the video, some people watch it and say, well, it wasn't as bad as the initial report...

 

[BayouSAINTJoe]

Twice you used the word "think" to try and make your point. Where is your evidence? I'm not saying you are wrong, but the video carries more weight than your feelings or assumptions.

Well isn't that what we're all here for....to post our thoughts?

"Think" is the right word to use here...if I said "I know for a fact" then sure jump down my arse for making false claims.

But I'm pretty sure that my "thoughts" line up with what actually happened. And I don't think what AK did was as horrific as what everyone made it out to be.

And to "my brothers from another timeline" does this match up with what yall saw last year?

its crazy. Some people watch the video and say AK is in even more hot water now because of the video, some people watch it and say, well, it wasn't as bad as the initial report...

I THINK that those who are saying its the worst thing ever want AK to go to jail so that we can lower our cap number...kinda sadistic but whatever floats their boat.

 

[State Of Affairs]

The dramatic "majority" comment may fit your narrative but it was hardly the case.

I think people get into semantics here quite a bit… I don’t know how to quantify it but my feeling is that A LOT of people were excusing it as “a fight” or “it’s not his fault” or “the victim brought it in himself” kinda thing. And it’s ironic that right after your post is a great example of it.

 

[Big_L]

Twice you used the word "think" to try and make your point. Where is your evidence? I'm not saying you are wrong, but the video carries more weight than your feelings or assumptions.

You think AK "instigated" the fight, where's your proof? All we see is the fight, who knows what happened prior based off the video.

 

[WhoDatPhan78]

There isn't any way that i can see an argument is made to claim Kamara was acting in self defense.

I don't think it matters who started it, because it wasn't self defense. Kamara clearly threw punches, so IMO he's guilty of assault.

Not sure whether he does jail time or not, but I think we need to move on from him.

 

[Big_L]

I think people get into semantics here quite a bit… I don’t know how to quantify it but my feeling is that A LOT of people were excusing it as “a fight” or “it’s not his fault” or “the victim brought it in himself” kinda thing. And it’s ironic that right after your post is a great example of it.

Is that poster lying? I mean did you see AK stomping the "victim"? It was a fight and the guy that lost is wanting a payday. Now the individual in the hoodie who was moonwalking on his face, well that is way overboard. We don't know what happened prior to the video. We don't know what was said or done. Not saying it's an excuse, but sometimes dudes say things and get punched. Was it 10 mill punches, I wouldn't thinks so. I also won't be on the criminal or civil juries, so who knows.

 

[Chris]

You think AK "instigated" the fight, where's your proof? All we see is the fight, who knows what happened prior based off the video.

I said it looks that way based on the video. The guy is walking away and AK comes up from behind and punches him. Of course, there could (and probably is) more to it, but all I have is the video to reference.

 

[bigdaddysaints]

I think people get into semantics here quite a bit… I don’t know how to quantify it but my feeling is that A LOT of people were excusing it as “a fight” or “it’s not his fault” or “the victim brought it in himself” kinda thing. And it’s ironic that right after your post is a great example of it.

i think more of a minority are excusng him, not majority (which A LOT can still be the minority). Just because most do not think he is going to do jail time does not mean we excuse him, Which is pretty much what the one who brought that is seems to think..

 

[Mike Evans is a Nice Guy]

Whether Kamara actually kicked the victim, or merely landed a few shots then backed off, might mean something if you’re evaluating how to judge him as a human being.

But legally, in terms of committing battery resulting in substantial bodily harm, as a co-conspirator it makes no difference, he may as well have landed every blow and kick himself. In other words, assuming the conspiracy charge sticks, the state doesn't even have to prove Kamara landed x blow that caused the harm. He's equally responsible as everyone else involved (and they him).

That said, if Kamara can establish that his involvement wasn’t as egregious as the other defendants (or for example, he tried to call them off), it could theoretically make a difference in sentencing.

 

[DaveXA]

Whether Kamara actually kicked the victim, or merely landed a few shots then backed off, might mean something if you’re evaluating how to judge him as a human being.

But legally, in terms of committing battery resulting in substantial bodily harm, as a co-conspirator it makes no difference, he may as well have landed every blow and kick himself. In other words, assuming the conspiracy charge sticks, the state doesn't even have to prove Kamara landed x blow that caused the harm. He's equally responsible as everyone else involved (and they him).

That said, if Kamara can establish that his involvement wasn’t as egregious as the other defendants (or for example, he tried to call them off), it could theoretically make a difference in sentencing.

Agreed. That's the big issue AK has. He's on the hook for the actions of the group. Now the DA might well use that as leverage to cut a plea deal that includes substantial consequences. This isn't a slam dunk for either side, so the legal teams on both sides need to proceed carefully.

 

[Big_L]

I figure you learn something new everyday. I always thought conspiracy was an agreement to commit a crime in the future. I guess that's why I was just a cop and not an attorney.

 

[bigdaddysaints]

Whether Kamara actually kicked the victim, or merely landed a few shots then backed off, might mean something if you’re evaluating how to judge him as a human being. But legally, in terms of committing battery resulting in substantial bodily harm, as a co-conspirator it makes no difference, he may as well have landed every blow and kick himself. He's equally responsible.

That said, if Kamara can establish that his involvement wasn’t as egregious as the other defendants, it could theoretically make a difference in sentencing.

the last part can make a big difference if true.
Kamara has been pretty silent on this (i'm sure he is being advised not to speak of it). I am hoping he has some kind of evidence that they are holding that somewhat puts this guy harrassing him before this video. Again i don't want this taken as i am saying "he deserved" this. I am saying a jury will look at that type of thing and consider it.

 

[Mike Evans is a Nice Guy]

I figure you learn something new everyday. I always thought conspiracy was an agreement to commit a crime in the future. I guess that's why I was just a cop and not an attorney.

It does have to be in the future, by definition. But that includes the immediate future. It's just two or more people agreeing to commit a crime (and in some jurisdictions, you don't even have to actually go through with it). It could be as simple as saying "let's rob this bank" or "let's give that guy a beat down".

 

[bigdaddysaints]

It does have to be in the future, by definition. But that includes the immediate future. It's just two or more people agreeing to commit a crime (and in some jurisdictions, you don't even have to actually go through with it). It could be as simple as saying "let's rob this bank" or "let's give that guy a beat down".

you seem to make good points for someone who is pretending to be a lawyer..
Joking aside, i never thought of it like that, but it makes sense. I had always associated conspiracy with planning something and not on a whim.

 

[stuart1234saint]

As bad as I hate to say it, I believe Kamara is done in New Orleans. He’s gonna be an example of how one mistake can derail your career. The video shows him coming from behind and hitting a guy that was fleeing. That’s assault, not self defense. Without a weapon being brandished by the person Kamara hit, and with Kamara coming from behind to punch him, it’s gonna end up being a pretty simple case for the prosecution. Add in Kamara wise cracking about hitting the guy, it just pours salt on an already difficult wound to close. I have supported Kamara his entire career. He’s one of the most athletic and entertaining players I’ve ever watched play football, but he’s gotta be let go. You have to set an example, and you have to conduct matters in a professional manner, not just for this upcoming season, but for seasons to come. Kamara, for everything he’s done while a Saint, he is the cause of his own current situation, and you can’t blame the organization if they do choose to let him go. This isn’t anyone’s fault but Kamara’s. It’s completely reasonable for the organization to expect and demand better from their players. Let’s be honest, not attacking somebody in a nightclub, in the early hours of a morning, isn’t really that much to ask.