Are we just stuck with harpers contract? (1 Viewer)

[BoNcHiE]

Goldston is not a better player than harper and unless thebucs can get a pass rush we will all see this very soon

Goldston allowed a 44 QB rating against him in coverage. Harper couldn't dream of being that good against the pass. And no one questions his downhill ability.

I'd take Goldston all day, everyday.

 

[Filaphill]

Goldston is not a better player than harper and unless thebucs can get a pass rush we will all see this very soon

Naw I pretty much doubt that Goldston is good in coverage.

 

[cajungiant40]

It's sad how many on here treat this guy as just a number and not a person. This is dude that has put his heart and soul into this team since he was drafted. Is he over market - maybe. But the heartless way that you guys talk about him or any of our guys who have been here with us for so long is not the right way of thinking. I am glad we still have Harper - he has always been solid - and if he gets paid a little more than his statline merrits - who cares.

It's a business bro. Nobody is questing his character or his manhood. Facts are facts, and when you don't live up to your contract, something has to give. Nothing personal, just business.

 

[TheRealJRad]

Everyone acts like there's some All-Pro safety out there just waiting for the Saints to offer him a vet min contract. I don't know who the hell some of you people think we'd upgrade with.

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[BoNcHiE]

I remember eric weddle was one for sure and I believe it was the same week

Right. Eric Weedle is it though (highest paid ever by the way for a safety) and Harper can't hold that guys jock. Weddle is an all around great player. Great in coverage, excellent ball skills, and great against the run. He was PFF's only safety to finish with a positive grade in all areas in 2011 (the year he got that contract).

 

[marccooper]

Has anyone ever heard of the expression "bite the bullet." When it comes to cutting players, everyone just looks at the effect on this years can and says we don't save anything. But usually in this case, the rest of that players signing bonus hits the cap, and might be bigger than the portion of it due to hit this year and the base salary, but the advantage is that you get to be done with that player for future caps beyond this year.

Say that a player has 3 years left on his contract at 4m, 4.5m, and 5m base salaries and 9m of signing bonus that will pro-rate at 3m per year. If you cut the player you have to pay all the 9m remaining signing bonus, but no base salary. If you keep the player, you pay them 4m base salary and 3m signing bonus, so the cap hit is 2m less this year, but you still owe them 6m against future caps. Then the next year comes up and if you cut them then you owe 6m signing bonus, or if you keep them you owe 3m signing bonus and 4.5 base salary, so you only save 1.5m against the cap to cut them. Then in the final year if you still haven't cut them, you owe 3m if you cut them, or 8m if you keep them. So at each step those first two years, it may seem like a small savings or even a loss to cut them, but the fact is if you don't like the player, you cut them two years early and pay the 9m you would have had to pay eventually anyway, but you save on the 8.5m of base salary those two years, and the extra 2m you cost the cap in one year saves you anywhere from 6-10.5m against caps over the next two years, depending on whether you wait 1 year or 2 to make the cut.

 

[Bala Lowkz]

If we cut him, we save $1 million. We could definitely get a better safety than him for $1 million in free agency, a bargain basement guy like Sensabaugh would be a huge improvement. We could also save the $1 million and get a SS in the middle rounds to start. Even if the guy we replace him with misses tackles, is ridiculously slow, can't cover, and drops most interceptions, even when they hit him in the hands, we won't be any worse off.

Do you have any idea what you just said dude?

 

[cajungiant40]

Do you have any idea what you just said dude?

^haha

 

[SAINT HOUSTON #1]

It will never stop.. there will always be threads like this.. if the [MOD EDIT] on here are starting 'Drew is the problem' threads what makes you think threads like this will ever stop.. if it's not Harper, then it's someone else.. some people think we should be able to field 22 pro bowl players.. ignorant is the word I'm looking for..
Why can't they post these new threads with the other 99 Harper threads?

I posted this thread to ask a question. At the time there were no Harper threads of the same subject on the first two pages. if you don't want to talk about this then you are perfectly free to choose not to click on the thread. its that simple. I wanted to know if there was anything we ( The Saints) could do, and apparently some of my fellow saints fans wanted to know the same. so in the future save yourself some anguish by not opening threads about subjects you do not want to hear about or discuss.

 

[RaisingTheBar]

We pretty much are until next season. IIRC if we release him next season his cap hit will only be around 1million or something like that. The team not asking him to restructure means something.

 

[1badsailor]

Goldston allowed a 44 QB rating against him in coverage. Harper couldn't dream of being that good against the pass. And no one questions his downhill ability.

I'd take Goldston all day, everyday.

Gldston was asked to do one thing in sf and that was to play the pass. That's it. Our safeties were forced to play run all game and we wonder why they bite on playaction? How can they not when our front 7 can't be trusted? Goldston is about to get smoke checked, early and often unless the bucs front 7 improves drastically

 

[1badsailor]

Right. Eric Weedle is it though (highest paid ever by the way for a safety) and Harper can't hold that guys jock. Weddle is an all around great player. Great in coverage, excellent ball skills, and great against the run. He was PFF's only safety to finish with a positive grade in all areas in 2011 (the year he got that contract).

Weddle has never been asked to play a receiver man to man if he has I must have missed it and he doesn't play the box as much either because the lbs (just like every other team) can be trusted to do their jobs, our front 7 can't be trusted. Pff is a farce by the way.

 

[LSSpam]

Yep.

It's going to be really painful when Ed Reed signs for less. William Moore got less as well.
Goldson just a touch more.

I think Loomis was high when we signed Harper to that contract. It's literally still top of the market two years later.

When he was signed, he was coming off back-to-back Pro Bowls and had been tendered the year before. Typically when a player plays underneath the tender, you essentially sign them at FA market prices the next year because you've lost most of your leverage on them.

Also keep in mind that prices are depressed this year. In 2011 the top FA Safety was Eric Weddle, and he got a 5 year $40 million dollar deal, as opposed to Harpers 4 year $28 million dollar deal. Dawan Landry, who was slotted behind Harper in terms of "free agent desirability" went for 5 years / $28 million.

We definitely didn't get a discount, but we did pay market value for him. And I think everyone on this forum was on board with it too.

It was the 49ers game to end 2011 and the Spags disaster of 2012 that's exposed his deficiencies so glaringly.

 

[SuperRemo]

Gldston was asked to do one thing in sf and that was to play the pass. That's it. Our safeties were forced to play run all game and we wonder why they bite on playaction? How can they not when our front 7 can't be trusted? Goldston is about to get smoke checked, early and often unless the bucs front 7 improves drastically

cmon man, lets not pretend this is all about scheme. Goldston, weddle these guys are just more talented in every aspect than harper.....

he is just an above avg safety who give great effort but has a massive and unfortunate flaw which gets exploited in this new modern nfl game...

 

[MarkIngramfan16]

i hope he doesnt come back next season we have two caple backups waiting to take his spot