Are you willing to get the Covid vaccine when offered? (3 Viewers)

Will you get the covid vaccine when offered?

  • Yes

    Votes: 278 73.2%

  • No

    Votes: 106 27.9%
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Good news, we got an email from the employer and they are gonna stick with the Covid PTO another year. It is 40 hours. anything beyod that you will have to use personal PTO. This also includes if you need a time off because of side effects after getting the vaccine.
 
guidomerkinsrules said:
Right? I hardly ever get prolonged headaches, but these were something
And a few brain not work so good moments
The naps were nice though
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The brain fog sucks so bad...

I unfortunately caught it before there was a vaccine available and that's night and day from what I'm hearing people go through now.
I still have the brain fog and my taste/smell has been permanently changed. Hopefully one day taste and smell will return to normal, but after a year post covid and being fully vaccinated, I'm not sure it ever will.
 
St. Widge said:
I mean, the numbers certainly show that unvaccinated people wind up in the hospital at a much higher rate than vaccinated people and being in the hospital by nature costs a lot more than not being in the hospital. I don't think that's really in dispute and I can assure you that insurance companies have actuaries and epidemiologists who have run the numbers many times. So, if it's not the case, they won't raise premiums for the unvaccinated, they will just raise premiums for all of us spreading the cost across all of society.

How you react to that is a different question. But, I do think it's the case that insurance companies always use "risk" of higher medical costs and the major factor in setting insurance rates. I mean, the whole point of insurance is the spread the "risk" of health care costs over a larger portion of society in order to theoretically keep the costs down. That has not been the result for a lot of reasons (mostly because health insurance is tied to employment and the free market doesn't really work for a service for which there is basically an infinite demand no matter the cost), but that is why we do it and how they set premiums. Whether we should be using private insurance to take care of health care needs is another discussion entirely. But, if that is how we are going to do it, the result will be higher premiums for people at higher risks for higher health care costs.

It's not about "calling out" people who are unvaccinated, or calling out smokers or obese people for that matter. It's just a simple fact of the insurance industry that higher risk equals higher cost.

And smokers and obese people are already paying extra premiums for their increased risk. Not sure why unvaccinated people should be any different.
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But in the same vein, the numbers also show that majority of the unvaccinated people that wind up in the hospital are overweight/obese and nearly all had some kind of underlying issue. This same arguments is used to show why the vaccinated end up hospitalized. If this is the case, why don't we look at the common denominator? Again, hear me out; I'm not advocating any type of discrimination against the overweight, those with any type of condition, or the elderly but we are making sweeping generalizations like "ah, it's just the unvaccinated" but more and more, I find myself asking, who is at greater risk, a truly healthy unvaccinated person or an unhealthy vaccinated person? I totally get what you are saying about risk but at what point do we look at this past the surface? That's all I was getting at.

DaveXA said:
I do believe there are stats clearly showing that an outsized percentage of unvaccinated individuals who get Covid end up being hospitalized. It may be more difficult to track now with so many more people getting infected with Omicron. With Delta, the differences were stark for those unvaccinated.
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I just mentioned some of what I was trying to get at above but I agree that the rate that is being hospitalized is greater, based on numbers. But when we break that down, are there any common trends and do those same trends pose a threat to the vaccinated?
 
jahsoul357 said:
But in the same vein, the numbers also show that majority of the unvaccinated people that wind up in the hospital are overweight/obese and nearly all had some kind of underlying issue. This same arguments is used to show why the vaccinated end up hospitalized. If this is the case, why don't we look at the common denominator? Again, hear me out; I'm not advocating any type of discrimination against the overweight, those with any type of condition, or the elderly but we are making sweeping generalizations like "ah, it's just the unvaccinated" but more and more, I find myself asking, who is at greater risk, a truly healthy unvaccinated person or an unhealthy vaccinated person? I totally get what you are saying about risk but at what point do we look at this past the surface? That's all I was getting at.


I just mentioned some of what I was trying to get at above but I agree that the rate that is being hospitalized is greater, based on numbers. But when we break that down, are there any common trends and do those same trends pose a threat to the vaccinated?
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People can complain about fat shaming all they like, but in the end illness and viruses don't care. If you are not metabolically healthy, you are going to get sick. Whether it be from constant chronic inflammation, a virus because of weakened immune systems or cancer. And it's not just about exercise either. It's about eating the right foods and staying away from foods that our own government has told us were healthy. If you want a laugh, go look at some of the foods recommended by the ADA and AHA, seems like they want to keep people suffering from diabetes and heart disease.
 
Meachemdat said:
The brain fog sucks so bad...

I unfortunately caught it before there was a vaccine available and that's night and day from what I'm hearing people go through now.
I still have the brain fog and my taste/smell has been permanently changed. Hopefully one day taste and smell will return to normal, but after a year post covid and being fully vaccinated, I'm not sure it ever will.
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It could be a good thing if you regularly eat somebody's bad cooking, or if you're around somebody who stinks.

Otherwise it wouldn't be good.

Do you still like the same food and drinks?
 
bigdaddysaints said:
Good news, we got an email from the employer and they are gonna stick with the Covid PTO another year. It is 40 hours. anything beyod that you will have to use personal PTO. This also includes if you need a time off because of side effects after getting the vaccine.
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Very good news! Was it your input that helped them to change their minds?
 
jahsoul357 said:
I just mentioned some of what I was trying to get at above but I agree that the rate that is being hospitalized is greater, based on numbers.
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I just have to interject that saying the unvaxxed rate of being hospitalized is "greater" is a huge understatement. All of the data I've been privy to....mostly thanks to Ward and others on this board show above 90% of hospitalizations for covid are unvaxxed.

That is not greater, that is overwhelming, regardless of the circumstances....
 
SaintInBucLand said:
People can complain about fat shaming all they like, but in the end illness and viruses don't care. If you are not metabolically healthy, you are going to get sick. Whether it be from constant chronic inflammation, a virus because of weakened immune systems or cancer. And it's not just about exercise either. It's about eating the right foods and staying away from foods that our own government has told us were healthy. If you want a laugh, go look at some of the foods recommended by the ADA and AHA, seems like they want to keep people suffering from diabetes and heart disease.
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But you've got long covid, too, right?
 
SaintInBucLand said:
Not anymore, once I changed my diet and intermittent fasting it helped me resolve the issues. Sadly, even my sense of smell for bad odors has returned, I was enjoying that one.
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People don't realize how unhealthy our "food" is in America.

We've known for decades, hell "Eat to live, don't live to eat" was a mantra for health gurus like Jack LaLanne before I was even born, but we still push a "pro-Big-agriculture" food narrative.

He used to say "if it's made by man, don't eat it"

Our food is the cause of so many of our diseases, hyper-tension, diabetes, heart disease, the list goes on and on.

People think fasting is a "fad diet" but there really is well documented and pretty well accepted health benefits to fasting. This is the first I have heard of fasting helping with COVID long haul, but based on the studies I've read, I'm not surprised or doubtful and glad to hear of your recovery.
 

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