NFL Draft Ashton Jeanty or Tyler Warren? (49 Viewers)

[livefromDC]

So obviously you would be good with a RB picked at #9 that averaged 3.5 YPC?

In the game people hold out as his bad game? Are you kidding me? Yes.

Saquon Barkley averaged 2.1 yards per carry on 21 carries against Ohio State his senior year. That kid turned out alright.

 

[WhoDat?DrewDat]

You also need to go look at Oline talent. Boise St doesn't have one single Olineman skilled enough to be drafted. Not one.

Kage Casey their OT is actually really good.

He will be drafted next year.

 

[Judge_Smails]

So obviously you would be good with a RB picked at #9 that averaged 3.5 YPC?

Against a traditional power with the number 1 rush defense in the country while playing behind a Mountain West quality OL?

Yes. For sure. Context and details matter. Player evaluation in real life (as opposed to Madden) is nuanced.

 

[WhoDat?DrewDat]

Saquon Barkley averaged 2.1 yards per carry on 21 carries against Ohio State his senior year. That kid turned out alright.

And how did that work out for the Giants?

 

[VolSaint]

Try to think of it this way. LT in his prime or Kelce in his prime. Which do you prefer? I don't think either is "wrong". We would be very lucky to have either.

Not a bad way to think about it at all, and I agree, neither is a wrong choice. I do think Warren is something that we haven't seen before and is in general more versatile than Kelce. More like a Deebo that also plays TE (and is also good), or a Taysom that doesn't play fullback.

 

[VolSaint]

And how did that work out for the Giants?

Giants lead the league in first round OL investments. I think Saquon has worked out better than those guys.

 

[Judge_Smails]

1. I mean by all accounts, he is. You said guys like McCaffery and Bijan weren't elite prospects, and neither is Jeanty, but I really wanna know what would make an elite HB prospect then. These guys top college stats, have the film, and in the case of McCaffery and Bijan, provide noticeable value to their teams. I really am curious then to what else could a HB prospect have to be an elite prospect.

2. Oregon didn't get to #1 with a bad defense. He also played against UNLV twice this season, which was ranked and had a very good team, and Washington in 2023. He put up good numbers in all of these games with a significantly worse surrounding cast. I really am not sure what else you would want in terms of competition either. Most college teams only play around 2-3 good teams each year. National Champs Ohio State only played against Oregon, Penn State, and Michigan regular season. It's just not common for most teams to constantly be battling against high level teams. And even in the cases Jeanty did, he constantly put up 100+ games.

3. Then that opens up the passing game? No one expects Jeanty to completely carry an offense, but if he's able to force the defense to completely focus on the run, I'm not sure how this is a negative.

4. It's not blind love, he's just very clearly in the elite talent basket of this class.

I personally watched him destroy my Washington State Cougars this past year and he was a) overwhelmingly the best player on the field (fastest and strongest) and b) one of the best college players I’ve personally seen since Reggie Bush.

 

[WhoDat?DrewDat]

Giants lead the league in first round OL investments. I think Saquon has worked out better than those guys.

They've drafted two OL in the first round in the last 7 years. Andrew Thomas being one of the premier young OTs in the league.

Where are you getting this information from?

 

[VolSaint]

They've drafted two OL in the first round in the last 7 years. Andrew Thomas being one of the premier young OTs in the league.

Where are you getting this information from?

You're right, I had my info wrong. My bad.

 

[St. Geezy]

It's the same gaslighting nonsense we get trying to have a conversation about the cap and how Carr fits into it. If you don't bend the knee to their thinking, you hate Loomis or Carr or now Jeanty. You are such a hater Widge.

Sorry but when someone is changing their argument points, creating moving targets and their best go to is “He didn’t have a lot of yards that one time against a good team,” this goes beyond the realm of not bending a knee or a gaslit argument.

The issues being raised makes it clear the player hasn’t been watched much.

“We don’t know how fast or quick he is?” Seriously?

 

[WhoDat?DrewDat]

As someone who isn't on either side of the Jeanty situation the argument is simple.

Pro Jeanty: Elite production, off the charts ability to absorb hits, truly the best player on his team, superstar level of dominance at times despite being the entire defensive gameplan.

"Anti" Jeanty: He played in a really poor conference, RB position is not as valuable, we have other more pressing needs, historically taking a RB this high hasn't lead to great results, he's maybe a tad smaller/ not the greatest long speed.

It's really that simple. Neither side is going to change and both sides have legitimate points.

 

[livefromDC]

And how did that work out for the Giants?

How does any draft pick work out for poorly run franchises? Poorly run teams get draft picks just like well run teams. And sometimes, yes sometimes, those poorly run teams end up drafting great players. Megatron in Detroit, McCaffery in Carolina, Manning in New Orleans, Deion Sanders in Atlanta, Steve Young in Tampa Bay, Myles Garrett in Cleveland, how long do you want me to do this? Barry Sanders in Detroit, Larry Fitzgerald most of his time in Arizona, Joe Thomas in Cleveland, Gale Sayers in Chicago...

Having great players is not the problem. The GM making dumb decisions is not an excuse for not drafting the best player on the board.

 

[St. Geezy]

Or because they don't think he belongs in the category of the guys I listed. From what I've seen, most think Bijan Robison was a better prospect.

At any rate, we will get an objective measure of his athletic ability at the Combine. If he can combine great speed and quickness with his vision and ability to break tackles then he'll probably end up being a top 5 pick. But, he could also end up being Mark Ingram which IMO would mean that he would not be BPA at #9.

I'll tell you what, if his absolute floor is Mark Ingram, that's not necessarily a bad thing. Sure, we would hope for something more worthwhile at pick 9, but if we end up "failing" on the top tier level evaluation and merely getting a solid starter type like Mark, I could live with it.

 

[St. Geezy]

Some data on the player, for those that care to read more on the prospect.

Third best overall player in the draft, according to former NFL Scout turned media personality Daniel Jeremiah, FWIW.



Write-up of his full Top 50:

Daniel Jeremiah's top 50: 2025 NFL Draft prospect rankings 1.0

NFL.com's player write-up:



Any questions about the player's speed is answered here:

There's no concerns with his speed. This is becoming more and more the norm for top prospects to not run at the combine and sometimes not even at all (Marvin Harrison and Brock Bowers last year didn't run at all).

Advanced analytics and the eye test can easily tell anyone watching that Ashton Jeanty has great explosive ability and is fast enough to consistently break off big plays.

Yes, like with any prospect or any position, there is always bust potential, and players bust for many different reasons including many times through no fault of their own. But as far as a prospective before the draft, purely amateur level evaluation-wise, this is an elite player.

 

[60minutes]

If Saints stay at #9, it's likely Jeanty with Warren getting consideration. If they move up, it'll be for Ward