NFL Draft Ashton Jeanty or Tyler Warren? (19 Viewers)

[DSnfla]

I wish but unless KM convinces Mickey to change our 1st round draft habits I don’t see us trading back unless some other team offers us a Kings ransom for a player that they covet but we shall see. I think we are about to see a new era of Saints football so who knows maybe we should expect the unexpected

But ML was going to change his habits last yr. We had a deal in place with the Rams to trade back if Bowers was there @14, but he got picked @ 13

 

[nakadish]

Oh I absolutely agree.

Loomis should be fired for his draft atrocities. Especially DLine.

Fire Loomis, and not the guy who makes up the draft board -Jeff Ireland? How does that help?

 

[DSnfla]

Oh I absolutely agree.

Loomis should be fired for his draft atrocities. Especially DLine.

When are you going to understand it's NOT ML that sits on a throne and says" I don't care what you coaches and the scouting dept say , I'm picking this guy" . And don't say he should override them because no GM would go against the wishes of the HC and the scouting dept. SMH

Really!!! just stop this narrative

 

[DSnfla]

Fire Loomis, and not the guy who makes up the draft board -Jeff Ireland? How does that help?

It's not even Ireland that's the main culprit. It's the HC , BOTH SP and DA made bad calls, especially on the DL

 

[nakadish]

I don’t think having a choice here is realistic. The more I think about it and look everything over, the more it becomes obvious that there’s not a snow’s chance in heck that Jeanty makes it to @9.

There’s also a realistic possibility that Warren doesn’t make it either.

That would be hilarious. For all the posts, "Jeanty isn't worth the #9 pick", and be goes before #9? I would die laughing.

But I have a weird sense of humor, it's not actually that funny.

 

[nakadish]

It's not even Ireland that's the main culprit. It's the HC , BOTH SP and DA made bad calls, especially on the DL

Yep. I'm interested to see how that changes with the new coaching staff. At least it will be different. But what I don't understand is that the Saints had lots of success early in the draft in Payton's early years. He got a ring because of it. But then it all went downhill, and I honestly don't know why or who's to blame for it.

 

[Judge_Smails]

Lions drafted well on both lines then playmakers second... that's how you build a stacked roster.

We have holes on both lines.

They also drafted an ILB (Campbell), RB (Gibbs) and TE (LaPorta) in the first round early second round (edit). Those are 3 positions that some people swear you should never take “too early.”

Maybe the Lions trust their internal evaluations and are drafting BPA, rather than saying:

“By golly we’re gonna build a championship team by only picking certain positions early.”

I doubt it though.

 

[Saintly Marine]

Yep. I'm interested to see how that changes with the new coaching staff. At least it will be different. But what I don't understand is that the Saints had lots of success early in the draft in Payton's early years. He got a ring because of it. But then it all went downhill, and I honestly don't know why or who's to blame for it.

This right here is exactly the reason we simply are in speculation mode.
#1 New Coaching Era Completely
#2. We have no idea what was discussed during contract negotiations on REBUILDING or Control
#3. 1st Draft since 2009 with no prior coaches during that era {note> Decision Making Coaches}
#4. 1st Draft we will see how the blueprint is being developed

Seriously, Considering this Coaching Staff Experience's, Several Reunions, Different Teams, and suddenly we have a draft where several on these coaches are now on the SAME TEAM.

Just way too many questions because of the NEW ERA and no data to lean on. We will all find out if the patterns of the past remain the same? Loomis or Moore>> I say 10% Loomis 90% Moore

 

[Snakehead]

This right here is exactly the reason we simply are in speculation mode.
#1 New Coaching Era Completely
#2. We have no idea what was discussed during contract negotiations on REBUILDING or Control
#3. 1st Draft since 2009 with no prior coaches during that era {note> Decision Making Coaches}
#4. 1st Draft we will see how the blueprint is being developed

Seriously, Considering this Coaching Staff Experience's, Several Reunions, Different Teams, and suddenly we have a draft where several on these coaches are now on the SAME TEAM.

Just way too many questions because of the NEW ERA and no data to lean on. We will all find out if the patterns of the past remain the same? Loomis or Moore>> I say 10% Loomis 90% Moore

This is exciting times.

 

[DSnfla]

Exactly. I've posted numerous examples of mocks where we can take Jeanty at 1.9 and address the other Offensive and Defensive line positions with the other picks. OT is not a need anymore with Fuaga and Penning holding down LT and RT. LG and and upgrade at RG are needed and those positions can be drafted later since the draft is deep at OG and even OTs who will move to OG. I think Becton might be an option in FA. Moore will need a player to two to help install his offense, signing Becton for an upgrade at RG would work, if we don't do that, I like the OT Belton out of NC State for either RG or LG. Dude is massive with the heaviest hands in the draft, guys fall to the ground when he puts hands on them. NT is a huge need, but there are 3 to 4 in the draft that would work and someone posted about Jevon Kinlaw a day or two as a FA option, and he'd be an affordable NT option to sign via FA. Yes, teams absolutely are built from the inside out and the trenches is where games are won and lost, but you don't have to spend your highest draft capital there and overdraft positions. Also, it doesn't matter if you win the trenches, but you stroll out a RB who runs a 4.6 and once he gets passed the trenches he gets caught from behind by a LB coming across the field. Speed and Playmakers matter and Jeanty is both.

The argument about us being set at RB is weak. AK is going into his age 30 season, he doesn't finish seasons healthy and can't be counted on down the stretch. Miller seems to have some juice when healthy, but he hasn't proven to stay healthy. CEH is talented, but also hasn't proven to stay healthy and has his own issues to deal with which hopefully he can, but that's not a given. Now add Jeanty to that RB room and it is instantly one of the best in the NFL. Jeanty would be RB1A and the bellcow, AK would be RB1B and the offensive weapon, Miller would be Jeanty's direct backup as his running style is simiiar whereas CEH would be AK's direct backup. There is so much CKM could do with a RB room like that.

Sign Becton or draft Belton and plug one in at RG.
Sign Becton and draft Belton and plug one in at RG and the other at LG.
Using 1.9 on Jeanty and 93 or 110 on Belton while signing Becton in FA makes this our projected O-line.

O-line:
LT: Fuaga
LG: Belton
C: McCoy
RG: Becton
RT: Penning

Adding Jeanty to the scenario above and this is our RB room:
RB1A: Jeanty
RB1B: AK
RB2: Miller
RB3: CEH

CKM can work with that and we'd go from being bullied to being the Bully.

I disagree with your assessment of our RB situation. AK has at least 2 more yrs at a high level. The only reason he had some injuries is because we had to rely on him too much due to injuries to other ball carriers.

Miller's 2nd stint on IR is strictly DA's fault. While I like Kubiak him and Miller didn't seem to click, I'm betting that CKM and his offensive staff will do better. Miller has shown flashes all he needs is better health.

On most big boards Jeanty and Warren are very close. My guess is that we will have them in the same cloud of players. On every NFL team if 2 or 3 players are graded closely they will take the player at a position of greater need.
I think our biggest need on offense is a big body contested pass catcher, either an X WR or a TE. That's why to me it's a easy choice of Warren it I had to choose between the 2 @ 9.
Plus this is a deep yr for RBs a good one can be had in the 3rd if we feel the need to bolster the RB room

 

[Elvis]

That would be hilarious. For all the posts, "Jeanty isn't worth the #9 pick", and be goes before #9? I would die laughing.

But I have a weird sense of humor, it's not actually that funny.

Look at the teams and look at their recent success level. It makes perfect sense that they'd make a pick that didn't make sense.

 

[DSnfla]

Versus a stacked team focused on him and matching up against an overmatched OL. That means something and needs to be a part of the assessment.

But if you say that then the same goes for when he runs for 200 against an overmatched defense like UNLV or Utah St. . Can't have it 1 way

 

[DSnfla]

In the game people hold out as his bad game? Are you kidding me? Yes.

Saquon Barkley averaged 2.1 yards per carry on 21 carries against Ohio State his senior year. That kid turned out alright.

Yes he did , he also avg 7.2 on 15 carries vs Mich. 9.3 on 17 carries VS Nebraska. 7.6 on 18 carries against Wash. All much better teams than Utah St or UNLV or Hawaii. My point is Jeanty's level of competition is a bit of a concern for me.

 

[DSnfla]

Yep. I'm interested to see how that changes with the new coaching staff. At least it will be different. But what I don't understand is that the Saints had lots of success early in the draft in Payton's early years. He got a ring because of it. But then it all went downhill, and I honestly don't know why or who's to blame for it.

ML is a GM that will ride or die with the HC as far as player personnel. If the HC makes good decisions and wins ML will look great if not he will look bad

 

[WhoDat?DrewDat]

Fire Loomis, and not the guy who makes up the draft board -Jeff Ireland? How does that help?

They can both go?

I'm confused is this a gotcha?