Broncos hiring Pete Carmichael (2 Viewers)

[jahsoul357]

I think Pete is a good football coach and a very good offensive mind. I just think he was out of his depth having to run the entire show on his own including play calling, game planning, scheme tweaks, self-scouting for tells, new wrinkles each week, etc. With Payton, he will be able to go back to the more limited role that he excelled at. Still, I'm not sure that the scheme isn't a bit outdated or that NFL teams haven't just figured it out unless you have and amazingly accurate HoF QB under center.

I don't think the scheme is outdated at all. I'm of the mindset that it takes certain "skill" to run it, as you mentioned but a HoF QB isn't really necessary, as much as actually being able to read the field and throw with anticipation. I believe that CSP will get his QB and work to build the offense around them. Kinda knew that Russ wasn't going to be the best fit, not because of him being washed or anything, but because his skillset really doesn't match a lot of what's needed. But this also shows how CSP and Sneaky Pete are different. I believe that Pete can design the crap out of plays but, as we always talk about, creating plays and calling them are 2 different beast. I think getting back with CSP is a good move for him.

On another note, I believe that "modern offenses" are really just offshoots of college systems meant to be as "QB friendly" as possible, as QB development no longer exist.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

Let’s not forget that SP won 1 SB with Drew Brees. I’d say that’s a bad coach. Better than Dennis Allen but not that great. He honestly needed Gregg Williams help

we were something like top 3-5 teams for his tenure here
it's like y'all thinking winning in the nfl is super easy or something

 

[sfidc3]

Bellicheck won 6 SB's with Brady. Payton won 1 SB with Brees.

And?

 

[St. Widge]

I don't think the scheme is outdated at all. I'm of the mindset that it takes certain "skill" to run it, as you mentioned but a HoF QB isn't really necessary, as much as actually being able to read the field and throw with anticipation. I believe that CSP will get his QB and work to build the offense around them. Kinda knew that Russ wasn't going to be the best fit, not because of him being washed or anything, but because his skillset really doesn't match a lot of what's needed. But this also shows how CSP and Sneaky Pete are different. I believe that Pete can design the crap out of plays but, as we always talk about, creating plays and calling them are 2 different beast. I think getting back with CSP is a good move for him.

On another note, I believe that "modern offenses" are really just offshoots of college systems meant to be as "QB friendly" as possible, as QB development no longer exist.

You could be right. I just think that the level of field awareness, pocket awareness, ability to anticipate throws, and accuracy that Brees had made the offense what it was. Without him it just hasn't looked smooth and there are no easy plays or throws. Contrast that with the stuff Shanahan and McVay do where mediocre QBs look great and good QBs look amazing because the scheme creates easy throws and easy reads. And I think the run scheme in both versions of that system is an underrated feature.

Plus, it appears that Cover 2 is the cryptonite for the Payton scheme unless you have a QB with the anticipation and accuracy Brees had fitting the ball in between the LBs and Safeties.

But, yeah, the "modern offenses" are just stealing the spread, 11 personnel, RPO, Read Option, and motion stuff that has been done in college for years. Then again, the colleges stole it from the high school game which has been doing those things for even longer.

 

[Merleaux]

I remember working for an assistant principal who told me when she got her own school as principal, she would send for me and she did. So I understand, and not surprised, why SP keeps taking our staff.

 

[ilvdsnts]

and thats just coaches. Here are some players:
L'il Jordan Humphrey
Will Lutz
Adam Trautman
Marquez Callaway
Yasir Durant
Lucas Krull
Dwayne Washington
Tre'quan Smith

 

[SaintsMan209]

Add Taysom Hill, Alvin Kamara, Mike Thomas, and several others to that list.

 

[ilvdsnts]

Bellicheck won 6 SB's with Brady. Payton won 1 SB with Brees.

Yeah, but that is skewed with spygate, deflategate and the refs walking him down the field every chance they could, where we had the refs and Goodell weighing us down with anchors. If everything was on the up and up, CSP and DB9 win AT LEAST the same # of SBs as BB and TB.

 

[Swampy Saint]

and thats just coaches. Here are some players:
L'il Jordan Humphrey
Will Lutz
Adam Trautman
Marquez Callaway
Yasir Durant
Lucas Krull
Dwayne Washington
Tre'quan Smith

There's not a single name on either list that makes me say "OMG, if only we had----back"

 

[parlorcitysaint]

Well... I've gotten through two pages of comments, and I still don't know what he's been hired to DO...

Can't say that I've been impressed by what I've seen the last couple of years.

But then spagnuolo was historically terrible here, and was only bad HERE.

Maybe Pete can turn it around under a competent head coach.

 

[Westbank4Life]

Good for him. He was the perfect scapegoat here.

 

[jahsoul357]

The face of a man that is happy to be where he is...lol

 

[SigFreudianSlip]

The face of a man that is happy to be where he is...lol

I wish him well, nothing against Pete at all.

 

[Saint Jack]

The face of a man that is happy to be where he is...lol

This really feels like Payton and his friends collecting a few more paychecks until a final retirement.

 

[football]

I wish him well, nothing against Pete

Same here