Chase Thomas UDFA [MERGED] (1 Viewer)

[TruSaint]

dont look at measurables they mean nothing, i dont care how fast ur 40 time is, if u can rush the passer u can rush the passer.

 

[El Caliente]

dont look at measurables they mean nothing, i dont care how fast ur 40 time is, if u can rush the passer u can rush the passer.

Obviously somebody is looking at them (and somebody in NFL front offices at that) because outside of his play what else would prevent him from being drafted.

To the guy that asked if I was interested in Jarvis Jones (yet he and Chase ran the same 40). Yes I did want Jones, and I am not even an SEC fan. But the difference in competition the two faced was night and day.

 

[TCUDan]

Some tweeners without the prototypical measurables turn out okay. I saw the comparison to Rob Ninkovich. If Chase Thomas can do what Nink does, we got us a nice addition via UDFA. There have been plenty of guys with an abundance of talent with no heart that fizzle out in the NFL while there are just as many guys with questionable talent and more heart that thrive.

dont look at measurables they mean nothing, i dont care how fast ur 40 time is, if u can rush the passer u can rush the passer.

Obviously somebody is looking at them (and somebody in NFL front offices at that) because outside of his play what else would prevent him from being drafted.

To the guy that asked if I was interested in Jarvis Jones (yet he and Chase ran the same 40). Yes I did want Jones, and I am not even an SEC fan. But the difference in competition the two faced was night and day.

"You can rush the passer in college" does not always mean you can rush the passer in the NFL.

Again, it's not the measurables. It's the film. The thing that makes scouting a profession is the ability to watch a player during a game and see things that the average observer doesn't. Where the casual fan says "Oh look at CT getting to the QB", the scout says "He really isn't showing much explosiveness." So you start basically assessing if the method through which he made his plays (effort and motor) makes up for his lack of quick-twitch athleticism ENOUGH to translate his college production to the NFL.

Most scouts felt it didn't.

I love effort players. I think a player can get a long way on that. But a lot of scouts look at CT and determined that he would either be neutralized or constantly a step late in getting to the QB.

An alternate example would be Junior Galette. Galette probably runs a 40 time similar to CT, but he looks like a speed rusher out there because he's so explosive. His short-area burst sets him apart.

Chase Thomas measures fine. Unfotunately his lack of explosive athleticism showed up on film and that's what kept scouts and coaches from deeming him to be a draftable player.

 

[BIG DAWG]

He ran a 4.9 40...that's why he wasnt drafted.

He is fast as ex-lax working through your system though...Dude look like a fast Urlacher. (Hard work beats Talent)!! These Vets better come ready to compete in camp all i know.

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[El Caliente]

I hope he makes the team, and we find our pass rushing specialist, but its not going to be as easy as some think.

TCU, I get what your saying and I agree. There is speed, then there is football speed like Jerry Rice. I imagine his lack of football speed is what hurt his chances of being drafted.

 

[Fleur de Lies]

London Fletcher and James Harrison both went undrafted but found huge success in the NFL. This guy could very well do the same.

 

[TCUDan]

I hope he makes the team, and we find our pass rushing specialist, but its not going to be as easy as some think.

TCU, I get what your saying and I agree. There is speed, then there is football speed like Jerry Rice. I imagine his lack of football speed is what hurt his chances of being drafted.

Yea and it's not even necessarily a speed thing. I don't think he has a speed/range issue. I think it is pretty much isolated to short-area burst. That quick-twitch athleticism. He's a smooth athlete and all that, but when you're a pass rusher and that's your specialization, being able to kick it into gear for a few miliseconds is the difference between a sack/pressure and a TD. It's the difference between getting around the edge and being neutralized.

And actually, one of our draftees that I'm really high on but also kind of lacks that quick twitch is Kenny Stills. Now he's a sub 4.4 guy, but scouts don't talk about him as a deep threat because he's not a "burst" guy. Robert Meachem probably didn't break below 4.4 but he constantly popped the top off of defenses because of his burst. Stills is more of a fluid athlete, a taller Lance Moore with a slightly faster 40 time.

I still think he can be a deep threat, but he's going to get his separation off of double moves and savvy route running, rather than breaking the DBs cushion with suddenness.

But I digress. My point is the Stills/Meachem is similar to the Thomas/Galette comparison. It is about explosiveness, not speed.

London Fletcher and James Harrison both went undrafted but found huge success in the NFL. This guy could very well do the same.

Yea there is example after example of undrafted free agent who went on to have a storybook career. But for every one of them, there's 50 guys who never made an NFL roster. Only its hard to throw out those examples because no one remembers their names.

No one is saying that Chase Thomas can't make it in the NFL b/c he was a UDFA. But I'd temper down the expectations. He has a long road ahead of him just to make the roster...

 

[ironhead]

Obviously somebody is looking at them (and somebody in NFL front offices at that) because outside of his play what else would prevent him from being drafted.

To the guy that asked if I was interested in Jarvis Jones (yet he and Chase ran the same 40). Yes I did want Jones, and I am not even an SEC fan. But the difference in competition the two faced was night and day.

Meh, the SEC East was pretty underwhelming last year especially in offense:
(Outside of Georgia which was pretty good on offense)

Offensive rankings of Georgia's opponents and the points Georgia gave up:

Nebraska ranked 15th (Georgia gave up 31)
Alabama 19th (gave up 32)
Georgia Tech 22d (gave up 10)
Tennessee 35th total offense (gave up 44)
Ole Miss ranked 42d (gave up 10)
Vanderbilt 74th (gave up 3)
Florida 97th (gave up 9)
Missouri 102d (gave up 20)
Kentucky 114th (gave up 24)
Auburn ranked 117th (gave up 0)

Average offensive ranking of opponents: 63.7
Average points given up by Georgia: 18.3

Stanford's opponents on the other hand:

Oregon ranked 4th (Stanford held them to 14)
Arizona ranked 6th (gave up 48)
UCLA ranked 13th (gave up 17 then 24 in next matchup)
USC ranked 38th (gave up 14)
Oregon State 40th (gave up 23)
Wisconsin 43rd (gave up 14)
Notre Dame 48th (gave up 14 in regulation)
California 86th (gave up 3)
Washington 91th (gave up 17)
Colorado: 118th (gave up 0)

Average offensive ranking of Stanford's opponents: 48.7
Average points given up by Stanford: 17.09

 

[El Caliente]

Meh, the SEC East was pretty underwhelming last year especially in offense:
(Outside of Georgia which was pretty good on offense)

Offensive rankings of Georgia's opponents and the points Georgia gave up:

Nebraska ranked 15th (Georgia gave up 31)
Alabama 19th (gave up 32)
Georgia Tech 22d (gave up 10)
Tennessee 35th total offense (gave up 44)
Ole Miss ranked 42d (gave up 10)
Vanderbilt 74th (gave up 3)
Florida 97th (gave up 9)
Missouri 102d (gave up 20)
Kentucky 114th (gave up 24)
Auburn ranked 117th (gave up 0)

Average offensive ranking of opponents: 63.7
Average points given up by Georgia: 18.3

Stanford's opponents on the other hand:

Oregon ranked 4th (Stanford held them to 14)
Arizona ranked 6th (gave up 48)
UCLA ranked 13th (gave up 17 then 24 in next matchup)
USC ranked 38th (gave up 14)
Oregon State 40th (gave up 23)
Wisconsin 43rd (gave up 14)
Notre Dame 48th (gave up 14 in regulation)
California 86th (gave up 3)
Washington 91th (gave up 17)
Colorado: 118th (gave up 0)

Average offensive ranking of Stanford's opponents: 48.7
Average points given up by Stanford: 17.09

Interesting note here.

I was posting these same comments when I discussed with others why Manti Teo was a first rounder, and a better MLB than Kevin Minter.

 

[stormin mormon]

People do realize that the Saints passed on this guy as well, right?

 

[stormin mormon]

People do realize that the Saints passed on this guy as well, right?

 

[stormin mormon]

People do realize that the Saints passed on this guy as well, right?

 

[TruSaint]

Obviously somebody is looking at them (and somebody in NFL front offices at that) because outside of his play what else would prevent him from being drafted.

To the guy that asked if I was interested in Jarvis Jones (yet he and Chase ran the same 40). Yes I did want Jones, and I am not even an SEC fan. But the difference in competition the two faced was night and day.

Ya the same competition Jamarcus russel faced, how'd that workout? It's not about competition but more a mixture of hard work and potential

 

[Rugger]

I am not sure how anyone can question his athleticism. He shows great change of direction skills, a variety of pass rush moves, he has excellent closing speed, can drop into coverage, and reacts quickly. I see him as a potential strong side linebacker in our system.

 

[TruSaint]

I am not sure how anyone can question his athleticism. He shows great change of direction skills, a variety of pass rush moves, he has excellent closing speed, can drop into coverage, and reacts quickly. I see him as a potential strong side linebacker in our system.

Thats what im saying, he looks very explosive and has one HELL of a pop! he destroys the QB