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The "what are you reading" thread gave me the idea to kick off a comic book discussion thread. I was kind of surprised that we didn't have one going already, seeing as we have a rather diverse crowd of comic lovers. So, to get this one going, I bring this news:

https://screenrant.com/superman-costume-action-comics/

And I couldn't be more excited by it! :)
 

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I was 9 years old and didn't care for the story at all. I'd probably like it a lot better now but that ship sailed 40+ years ago.

I remember being like that with the story of Falcon's nephew dying of AIDS in The Incredible Hulk. A story in which he dies of AIDS after begging for a Hulk blood transfusion to cure him, but Banner refuses because he doesn't want another She-Hulk incident happening.

Comics tackling real world issues gets weird, man.
 

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I remember being like that with the story of Falcon's nephew dying of AIDS in The Incredible Hulk. A story in which he dies of AIDS after begging for a Hulk blood transfusion to cure him, but Banner refuses because he doesn't want another She-Hulk incident happening.

Comics tackling real world issues gets weird, man.
I remember reading that one and immediately cussed Peter David out for letting the black man die.
 

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Well, this is hilariously stupid. Spoilers about for Avengers 42 and Thor:


"Enough. Here's what we will discover in Avengers #42. That Phoenix is not only the past love of Odin, father of Thor. But the Phoenix force is also the mother of Thor. "

For those keeping track, Thor's original mother was Frigga/Freyja. Then that was retconned into her being his stepmother, and his REAL mother was Gaea. Now that's been retconned again into the fact that his REAL mother is...The Phoenix Force. Despite the fact that Gaea being Thor's mother played a role in Empyre literally just a few months back.

First, Jason Aaron and his weird Phoenix fetish need to go away. Avengers right now is literally a tournament to see who gets to be the next Phoenix. These things are best used sparingly, and he does the opposite.

Second, while I have no problem with a good retcon in comics and certainly they need to happen at times, Marvel just throws them out like crazy these days. Editorial really needs to pump the breaks on the "Nah, what you read was horse sheet, here's the REAL story." stuff constantly being churned out.
 

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Well, this is hilariously stupid. Spoilers about for Avengers 42 and Thor:


"Enough. Here's what we will discover in Avengers #42. That Phoenix is not only the past love of Odin, father of Thor. But the Phoenix force is also the mother of Thor. "

For those keeping track, Thor's original mother was Frigga/Freyja. Then that was retconned into her being his stepmother, and his REAL mother was Gaea. Now that's been retconned again into the fact that his REAL mother is...The Phoenix Force. Despite the fact that Gaea being Thor's mother played a role in Empyre literally just a few months back.

First, Jason Aaron and his weird Phoenix fetish need to go away. Avengers right now is literally a tournament to see who gets to be the next Phoenix. These things are best used sparingly, and he does the opposite.

Second, while I have no problem with a good retcon in comics and certainly they need to happen at times, Marvel just throws them out like crazy these days. Editorial really needs to pump the breaks on the "Nah, what you read was horse sheet, here's the REAL story." stuff constantly being churned out.
So stupid. I know stuff can be retconned at a blink of an eye, but some sheet should be just left alone. It's as dumb as Dan Slott changing canon to say Franklin Richards wasn't a mutant. It makes zero sense.

It's like they never learn, or perhaps they just don't care.
 

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I remember being like that with the story of Falcon's nephew dying of AIDS in The Incredible Hulk. A story in which he dies of AIDS after begging for a Hulk blood transfusion to cure him, but Banner refuses because he doesn't want another She-Hulk incident happening.

Comics tackling real world issues gets weird, man.

I wonder if that's the same comic I remember - Hulk picks up an AIDS infected gay man and someone asks if he's worried about getting infected to which Hulk replies something like "With my blood I'm immune"

The only reason I remember it so well is in a later issue I believe it was the 300th issue - it was a green foil cover recreating the 1st issue that had a letter to the editor that was one of the most homophobic things I had read at the time - basically the letter said how dare the Hulk save a gay man, if the Hulk has to interact with a gay person at all it should be to kill them etc.

Does anyone else remember that?
 

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I wonder if that's the same comic I remember - Hulk picks up an AIDS infected gay man and someone asks if he's worried about getting infected to which Hulk replies something like "With my blood I'm immune"

The only reason I remember it so well is in a later issue I believe it was the 300th issue - it was a green foil cover recreating the 1st issue that had a letter to the editor that was one of the most homophobic things I had read at the time - basically the letter said how dare the Hulk save a gay man, if the Hulk has to interact with a gay person at all it should be to kill them etc.

Does anyone else remember that?
I don't recall that, but I need to look into it.

Jim Wilson wasn't gay, though. I do specifically remember his girlfriend leaving him due to his HIV positive status being a thing. That story arc was the early-mid 90's. 93-94, somewhere around there.
 

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I don't recall that, but I need to look into it.

Jim Wilson wasn't gay, though. I do specifically remember his girlfriend leaving him due to his HIV positive status being a thing. That story arc was the early-mid 90's. 93-94, somewhere around there.
This is the comic that had the letter - it was the 30th anniversary not 300th issue

hulk 2.jpghulk 1.jpg
 

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So Rich Johnston just made this very weird and vague report that a group of wealthy people who also happen to be major DC fans either have or are going to put together a proposal, to well...I'm not sure exactly. It's Rich and he can barely write a coherent sentence, but my interpretation is to buy the publishing arm but keep the IP's with Warners/AT&T? Or something? Like I said, he's a terrible writer so who the hell knows what this means. But given the upheaval at Warners/AT&T the past year it could be something to watch.


Last year, a number of high-rolling individuals were given tours of DC Comics Burbank with AT&T/Warners officials. And as a result, there may be some new options. Because Bleeding Cool has been made aware of plans by big-time DC Comics fans with access to a lot of money. Many millions from across many businesses.

A collaboration of some of the biggest cheeses who, with a combination of personal wealth and raised capital, are making an approach to AT&T. Not to buy DC Comics outright from AT&T/Warners, not to touch the movies, the TV, the games or the merchandise — but solely the rights and ownership — of the comic book side of the publisher. To be able to create and publish the DC Comics line as they would like. Let Warners do the movies and TV shows, but take all the cumbersome work of actually publishing comic books off their hands, while Warners are free to adapt if they wish.
 

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The Sandman stuff on Audible is incredible. Though I'm sure this won't have the same production value or all star casts, comics can absolutely work in that space.

DC surely likes to murk sheet up unnecessarily. At this rate, just say fork it and leave stuff alone.


I genuinely can't make heads or tails of this stuff anymore. I don't even try.
 

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The Sandman stuff on Audible is incredible. Though I'm sure this won't have the same production value or all star casts, comics can absolutely work in that space.
Aren't some of the cast from the Audible series slate for the TV series?

I genuinely can't make heads or tails of this stuff anymore. I don't even try.
They have been trying to "fix" continuity for decades and each time they do it gets forked up more. I just don't get it.
 

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Crisis on Infinite Earths was designed to fix their continuity issues. And while not perfect, it did.

So of course they have spent the last three and a half decades going back to the crisis/multiverse/reboot well so many times that it has lost all meaning, and they have gotten increasingly bizarre with each subsequent attempt.

Marvel's sliding timescale of "All that stuff from the 60's was really only like 12 years ago" is downright efficient by comparison.
 

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Can anyone help me identify a Batman graphic novel?

I'm not sure if it was a stand alone or a collection

It's from the late 80's/early 90s, (that's when I saw it in the bookstore)

The plot was basically this - the Joker is on Death Row for a crime that he actually didn't commit, should Batman clear his name or let him be executed
 

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The Sandman stuff on Audible is incredible. Though I'm sure this won't have the same production value or all star casts, comics can absolutely work in that space.



I genuinely can't make heads or tails of this stuff anymore. I don't even try.

Been looking for some new audiobooks to get into and never did get into Sandman

I'll check it out
 

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