Cops: Man Choked 8-Year-Old Girl in Restaurant Bathroom (1 Viewer)

[VaeVictus]

Um, no. Bathrooms are tailor made for events like this.

Single entrance, lockable door or stalls.

Pedophiles have been using bathrooms to target victims for many decades.

The real lesson is not "this can happen anywhere".

Agreed.

Why is the all of a sudden such a distraction laden topic used by the left (SJW's)?

Allowing guys to use the restroom of their choice is akin to allowing criminals the right to wear police uniforms. It removes the stigma, and the predators (not necessarily the 0.002% who ID as trans)will seize the opportunity to 'wear the uniform'.

"needs of the few" facepalm

 

[DavidM]

Allowing guys to use the restroom of their choice is akin to allowing criminals the right to wear police uniforms. It removes the stigma, and the predators (not necessarily the 0.002% who ID as trans)will seize the opportunity to 'wear the uniform'.

"needs of the few" facepalm

So how do you feel about open carry of guns?

As mentioned, men aren't going to be able to just throw on a wig and a dress and go be stealthy predators in public restrooms. Ultimately that's a poorly conceived plan with a likely outcome of being apprehended and facing consequences.

 

[V Chip]

It's like people refuse to listen.

Tell me something I haven't already heard and responded to and refuted 10 times already and I'll gladly eat my words.

 

[livefromDC]

Again I've never said I had an issue with trans men or women.. it's the loophole that's there. How does someone PROVE they are trans? How does someone ask someone to prove they are trans?

I don't know how else to say it so here goes. Imagine Yourself at the mall. Imagine that you feel like a woman, you're dress like you usually dress. Do you have that picture of yourself? That's how a transgender woman feels and looks. I've met, and I've met many in my line of work, transgender women that you would never guess were transgender. Beautiful women, unattractive woman, dainty, petite, heavy set and muscular women. All of them, women.

If a guy walks into the women's restroom say something. Do something. The only thing this law does is give men an opportunity to go into the women's restroom. You're telling me you'd rather have transgender men...men who are attracted to women, men who are physically developed like men...in the stall next to you? Since we're making random, unlikely scenarios...suppose the rule changes across the country, what now about grown men walking into the bathroom behind you and all they have to say is, "I was born female." That's okay with you? Because whether you want to admit it or not, this law would allow grown woman-loving men who identify as men and are sexually attracted to women to freely walk into the women's bathroom with no excuses, costumes, and no cover. All they would have to say is, "I was born female, but identify as male...and baby, let me tell you, I'm ALL man now!"

Is the law keeping the bogeyman away from the women's restroom now? No law? You can question a guy that just walks into the bathroom because 99% of the time a transgender woman looks like a woman. With this law, guy can just be a guy waltzing into the bathroom because NOW he is a guy and since he was born a woman the law is sending him into the bathroom with your nieces.

It makes a ton more sense to send people that identify as female to one bathroom and people who identify as male to the other. Because for the most part, people that identify with a certain sex...wait for it...will more likely identify with that sex, they will look like that sex.

 

[FL_Saint]

Tell me something I haven't already heard and responded to and refuted 10 times already and I'll gladly eat my words.

I really don't care what life choices people make. If they decide to be male or female or something as yet undetermined makes not a damn bit of difference to me. Because their genuine choice doesn't affect me or my family. My problem is with those people that will try to take advantage of this by just walking into a female bathroom because they can always claim they "identify" with the female gender. There are too many pervs on this planet for that scenario not to be a concern. Is something like that possible anyway without these new considerations, yes, of course. Is there a better chance of it happening now, I do believe so because of the coverage on this issue. It has been said that men faking being a transgender would be easy to spot and challenge. By who? Someone experienced with the transgender lifestyle maybe. Not by me. And not by anything I can even think of. As was already discussed, I believe people will be more gunshy about challenging someone in public because of perception. People are already ostracized because they try to hold to the beliefs that they spent their lives being taught. Why would anyone invite the inevitable public shaming that will come with the possibility of challenging a true transgender?

Now, it has also been said that regardless of the new considerations, if they do something illegal, yes, they can be prosecuted. Great, they committed a crime and hopefully they will pay for it. However, the fact of the matter is, IF - yes, IF - something does happen to a child, it can never be undone. Ever. I do not care if people are offended by a perceived discrimination - there is never, ever a good reason to increase the risk to a child. Even a small increase in risk is unacceptable.

Now, I don't care how many times you have to respond or refute. No need to refute this as I have no intention of coming back to this thread. I've said my piece. I am not going to change your mind and you are certainly not going to change mine. I truly hope I am wrong and this never becomes a concern.

 

[DavidM]

Now, it has also been said that regardless of the new considerations, if they do something illegal, yes, they can be prosecuted. Great, they committed a crime and hopefully they will pay for it. However, the fact of the matter is, IF - yes, IF - something does happen to a child, it can never be undone. Ever. I do not care if people are offended by a perceived discrimination - there is never, ever a good reason to increase the risk to a child. Even a small increase in risk is unacceptable.

So, maybe children-only restrooms, then, or are we pretending a woman would never hurt a child or that boys aren't victimized by men?

This heightened fear that bathrooms are going to be hunting grounds if we make accommodations for transgender people just seems so far out of left field. Forget the law, for a moment, and consider that if a man really wants to prey on children in public restrooms, that's already possible. Even to the extent that a marginally cunning pervert can put in the effort to conceal himself as a woman under present circumstances.

 

[billinms]

The basic thought process at play here is that allowing transgenders into the restroom that suits them will increase the threat against children. The next step in that line is that transgenders are more likely to prey on children. I have no doubt that there are some horrible, terrible, evil pedophiles in the transgender community. Are there any more than in the straight community? I highly doubt it.

 

[V Chip]

Now, I don't care how many times you have to respond or refute. No need to refute this as I have no intention of coming back to this thread. I've said my piece. I am not going to change your mind and you are certainly not going to change mine. I truly hope I am wrong and this never becomes a concern.

I'm starting with this because I don't get the point of "I'm mad, I'm saying my piece and heck with anything anyone else says or brings to the table, even facts -- I'm not letting anything else factor into my opinion and that's that!!" You admit you don't know that much about transgender people or issues, but know your opinion on the issue. That makes zero sense to me.

My problem is with those people that will try to take advantage of this by just walking into a female bathroom because they can always claim they "identify" with the female gender. There are too many pervs on this planet for that scenario not to be a concern. Is something like that possible anyway without these new considerations, yes, of course. Is there a better chance of it happening now, I do believe so because of the coverage on this issue.

But honestly, think about this for a second. Before any such laws happened, how did we deal with people who were in the opposite bathroom (or people who looked like they were)? If they didn't do anything wrong, we didn't arrest them. We asked them to leave. If they refused to leave and the business/whoever escorted them out or stuck around to keep an eye on them, where's the harm? If it was really a woman, she might file a complaint. People them discuss the issue and knowledge is shared and things discussed to make it less of an issue hopefully the next time. If it wasn't really a woman, the person left. Some people's feelings might get hurt, some people might be labeled through social media (as a pariah or a hero). But we rarely heard about things like this. Why is that system so impossible now with trans bathroom laws/ordinances?

Men have ALWAYS had the ability to dress as a woman and try to enter a female bathroom or locker room (heck, teen comedies made this a staple of the genre for goodness sake). If they get caught doing something illegal -- peeping, flashing, assulting, battering, raping -- then they get caught and prosecuted. [Ok, well that's not actually true. Amazingly, many women who reported being raped or sexually assaulted in bathrooms by men were often blamed for their own assault or have the man's word taken over their own and their attacker got off scott free, no pun intended.] In 17 states and many many cities with ordinances allowing trans bathroom access, some of them for many years now, there is no increase in the amount of rapes or assaults reported. It's not that you don't have any data yet to support your view and can rely on "it's obvious it will happen once these laws are on the books" -- it's that the data that is available completely contradicts the idea being put forth.

As was already discussed, I believe people will be more gunshy about challenging someone in public because of perception. People are already ostracized because they try to hold to the beliefs that they spent their lives being taught. Why would anyone invite the inevitable public shaming that will come with the possibility of challenging a true transgender?

Right -- the same people who are protesting the laws loudly and proudly will suddenly get shy if they see someone they are uncomfortable with entering a bathroom.

Now, it has also been said that regardless of the new considerations, if they do something illegal, yes, they can be prosecuted. Great, they committed a crime and hopefully they will pay for it. However, the fact of the matter is, IF - yes, IF - something does happen to a child, it can never be undone. Ever. I do not care if people are offended by a perceived discrimination - there is never, ever a good reason to increase the risk to a child. Even a small increase in risk is unacceptable.

And the thing you guys are not getting is that the NC law *IS* increasing risk to children -- trans children. But who cares about them, right?

 

[st dude]

Um, no. Bathrooms are tailor made for events like this.

Single entrance, lockable door or stalls.

Pedophiles have been using bathrooms to target victims for many decades.

The real lesson is not "this can happen anywhere".

Woman attacked in elevator:

Man attacks woman, 85, in NYC elevator, steals wedding ring | Fox News

Elevators are tailor made for events like this. All the bad guy has to do is push the stop button.

We need single sex elevators.

Seriously speaking, I do get the concern with men in women's restrooms, but it's overblown to me and inevitable that as soon as an attack occurred in a e law would be blamed. The fact is attacks have happened in bathrooms for years and years, way before the transgender issue came up. Bad guys gonna be bad guys no matter what the law is.

Don't show me a Fox News type headline as proof. Show me that bathroom attacks have become statistically more common due to transgender laws or that attacks are statistically significantly less likely to happen on states like NC with bathroom laws than in other states. Then we can have a conversation.

I can post a story about person falling off a cruise ship. Does that prove cruise ships are dangerous?

 

[Krodwhodat]

A transgender woman is a woman, not a man. If you are a woman, you can use the women's room.



Have you known any trans people? They are almost always unnoticeable. They don't dress like women but look and act like men, they do everything to be what they feel like inside. Surgery, hormone therapy, therapy in general -- doing things to become their trans gender. You don't have people like Chris Helmsworth just throw on a dress one day and say "I feel like I'm a woman now."



And if a woman who looks like a man walks into a women's room, do you think people honestly aren't going to say anything? If Seth Rogen walked into a women's room, would you think nobody is going to say anything?



You asked about they have to PROVE they are trans? Why? You're making up situations to need proof when you don't. If you get the store manager and they ask the person to leave and it turns out they were trans, if they file a complaint nobody is going to jail; nobody is going to be fined. Honest mistakes are going to happen. Heck they already happen today with women dressing like men who are women, and vice versa. Are you going to demand to see the privates of every person who walks into a restroom that's you are unsure of?

No, a transgender woman is a man. No amount of surgery, hormones of feelings can change that. He may act and look like a woman but he is still a man.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

No, a transgender woman is a man. No amount of surgery, hormones of feelings can change that. He may act and look like a woman but he is still a man.

You're one of the conservatives I like the most on this site, but you're just flat wrong on this point

 

[DavidM]

No, a transgender woman is a man. No amount of surgery, hormones of feelings can change that. He may act and look like a woman but he is still a man.

Actually, it's not at all that simple.

I just happened to see this elsewhere and thought it was a good attempt by somebody trying to understand this better. Of course there's plenty of research available to consider but thought this was an easy, relatable perspective.

2. What you see is not always what you get. For the vast majority of humanity, the presence of male or female genitalia corresponds to whether a person is male or female. What you see is what you are. But for a small part of humanity (something less than 1 percent), the visible parts and the inner identity do not line up. For example, it is possible to be born with male genitalia but female chromosomes or vice versa. And now brain research has demonstrated that it also is possible to be born with female genitalia, female chromosomes but a male brain. Most of us hit the jackpot upon birth with all three factors lining up like cherries on a slot machine: Our anatomy, chromosomes and brain cells all correspond as either male or female. But some people are born with variations in one or two of these indicators.

3. Stuff happens at birth that most of us never know. It’s not an everyday occurrence but it’s also not infrequent that babies are born with ambiguous or incomplete sexual anatomy. In the past, surgeons often made the decision about whether this child would be a boy or a girl, based on what was the easiest surgical fix. Today, much more thought is given to these life-changing decisions.

https://baptistnews.com/2016/05/13/seven-things-im-learning-about-transgender-persons/

 

[mt15]

So you want this person to walk into the men's room?

Or this one? Because these two were both born men. Seems pretty awkward to make them go into the men's room. At least to me.

 

[Krodwhodat]

Actually, it's not at all that simple.

I just happened to see this elsewhere and thought it was a good attempt by somebody trying to understand this better. Of course there's plenty of research available to consider but thought this was an easy, relatable perspective.

I can agree with this and absolutely see it. But let me ask you then, is transgender a birth defect?

 

[Krodwhodat]

You're one of the conservatives I like the most on this site, but you're just flat wrong on this point

How is it wrong unless it's a birth defect?