COVID-19 Outbreak Information Updates (Reboot) [over 150.000,000 US cases (est.), 6,422,520 US hospitilizations, 1,148,691 US deaths.] (8 Viewers)

[Optimus Prime]

Yes, and now we are getting to the time where getting mad at whoever is to blame is appropriate.

In the middle of the pandemic, we needed to get through the pandemic. Punishing who started it would have made that harder to do.

If the house is on fire, you don't argue about who started it, you put out the fire. There is time after it's put out to figure out who is to blame for it.

and then it becomes a case who is more to blame

The person who set the fire or those let and watched it burn until it was out of control?

 

[WhoDatPhan78]

and then it becomes a case who is more to blame

The person who set the fire or those let and watched it burn until it was out of control?

Yea, and both of those might be the same person.

China cancelled domestic flights out of Wuhan immediately, but continued to let international flights go.

Maybe there was some good reason for that, but if you were looking for evidence that China intentionally seeded covid to the world, that would fit the bill.

I do think that if they were going to intentionally leak covid to begin with, it would have started somewhere other than Wuhan, so i think at worst it was an accidental lab leak.

 

[Sailorsaint]

Ive always said and believed that UFOs and extraterrestrial beings aren't the same thing, but are two, separate concepts. One reason why most people tend to jump to "aliens and UFO's" is often a matter of subjective opinion based around the notion that honesty, I still don't think, in 2023, we have anything close to the sophisticated saucer-shaped UFO's move, coordinate their movements in physics-defying motions or at speeds that are WAY, WAY beyond mankind's current technological capabilities based on what many eyewitnesses said they saw these objects do. If that's the case, we're talking about alien civilizations that are hundreds, maybe thousands of years ahead of us in every meaningful scientific, technological and societal category and that realization, or contrast, likely gets made painfully aware to them if, whenever, or however they come here.

Believing in UFO's or extraterrestrials isn't the same thing as believing that AIDS was created in a US Plum Island Lab over the course of several decades and let out to predominantly affect, sicken, and kill millions of homosexuals, African-Americans, Latino-American. Besides, that nutjob theory, according to some Cold War CIA historians, may have begun or been proposed as a anti-West, anti-American deliberate misinformation campaign smear job by KGB spy masters in the late 1970's.

FWIW, my other arguments are more based around the idea of paradigm shifts, how throughout history, seemingly radical, unorthodox scientific theories get formulated, created, analyzed and then presented to the then-wider contemporary mainstream scientific communities and it gets ridiculed, demonized, sneered at, and its creators or scientists get discredited, only for the next generation or two finds out these discoveries were not only plausible, their wholly valid. Evolution didnt just begin with Darwin, for example. His father, Erasmus Darwin, had some pretty, radical notions that weren't exactly taken at face value or accepted by most, during his lifetime.

When you examine the case of Galileo and his theories about Earth not being the center of the universe, and was instead one of many, different universes, what's the big secret thats missing that could explain how his theories were right and how if it had been known at the time, Galileo wouldn't have been forced to recant his ideas? Gravity or gravitational force that was postulated and proven scientifically valid by Isaac Newton and Johannes Kepler. Newton and Kepler's theories, essentially proved that Galileo's theories a century before were correct because they explained in explicit detail, how every planet in our solar system revolves around the Sun, and how centrifugal, gravitational forces are different and how they effect and explain why it takes longer for Mars to do a full circling of the Sun then Earth and how our solar system is balanced together. They filled in the blanks that were unknown to scientists and mathematicians of Galileo or Bruno's time.

As an historian, it amazes how so much of what the Renaissance, Reformation, and Enlightenment ideals were just "rediscovering" what had been common knowledge to the Greco-Roman world of philosophes, mathematicians, and thinkers like Pythagorus, Aristotle, Ptolemy of Alexandria, Socrates, Plato, Ovid, Virgil, or Thucydides. A lot of their scientific theories were very similar to many of the later European philosophers and scientists.

Ancient Roman class socio-economic class structure would have been *Candyland" for people like Marx and Engels if one knows or has read about how most Roman plebians, slaves lived in Third World-esque slums, experienced crippling poverty, and how ancient Roman imperial infrastructure would be the most industrialized Europe would enjoy until the 19th century. When the western Roman Empire decayed, crumbled and fell by the end of 5th century C.E., that was a perilous systems collapse that set science, notions of progress, rational discourse, politics, natural philosophy back almost 1,000 years or so.

I think the burning of the Library of Alexandria set us back hundreds of years.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Some parents in the United States were dishonest about their children having the coronavirus or did not follow testing and quarantine guidelines, according to a study published Monday.


The parents’ behaviors could have contributed to the spread of the coronavirus, said the study’s authors, who included researchers from U.S. and British universities.


The study, though, may not be demographically representative of U.S. parents since people were not chosen through random sampling. Parents were recruited to participate through a panel of volunteer online survey takers. Also, 70 percent of the respondents were women.


More than 1.1 million people have died of the coronavirus in the United States, and more than 103 million cases have been reported, according to data tracked by The Washington Post. Globally, there have been more than 6.8 million deaths and 758 million infections because of the coronavirus, according to the World Health Organization.


The latest study on pandemic behavior in JAMA Network Open, a peer-reviewed publication, offers some clues about how the virus spread in the United States.
The researchers analyzed answers by 580 parents who had children under the age of 18 living with them during the course of the pandemic.

The survey was conducted in December 2021.
Parents chose not to disclose their child’s covid status most commonly because they said they wanted “to exercise personal freedom as a parent,” the study authors stated. Parents also wanted their children to “resume a normal life.”

Some parents were dishonest about their children’s vaccination status to allow them to participate in activities; others said they covered up their children’s covid status so they would not miss school; and still others said they did not tell the truth as they could not afford to miss work themselves, the researchers found.


“The pandemic created tremendous stress for all of us, but especially for parents,” said Andrea Gurmankin Levy, a professor of psychology at Middlesex Community College in Connecticut and one of the lead authors of the report.


She said some behaviors by parents were “serious and concerning,” and “likely resulted in more Covid-19 cases and more deaths.”


This suggests, she added, that “we need to do a better job of providing support mechanisms like paid sick leave for family illness, so that parents don’t feel like their only options are to be dishonest about their child having COVID-19 or having their child break quarantine rules.”………

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wellness/2023/03/06/covid-parents-lying-children-health/

 

[bigdaddysaints]

Those same parents would throw a fit if another kid shows up to a party with ringworm or pink eye....

 

[Optimus Prime]

Those same parents would throw a fit if another kid shows up to a party with ringworm or pink eye....

No doubt

And completely fail to see the irony or hypocrisy

 

[bigdaddysaints]

My nextdoor neigbor has a kid who (at the time was 10) likes to play outside. He's always plays with my some who is 3 years older than him. Back in 2021 when Delta was ramped up, he came over and asked if my son could play. He preceeds to tell us his mom and dad have Covid. I was like, uh, no, my son can't play today. I asked why he was runnng around if his mom and dad was sick. He said they told him to play outside and stay away from them as much as possible. ok. makes sense, but don't be coming to my house with that junk...
Then he proceeds to tell me they were going to the beach (Orange beach) tomorrow. I was like, how are they going if they have Covid? He said, my mom says they just aren't gonna tell anyone. Those are the type of people who were responsible for Covid speading more and lasting longer.

 

[gboudx]

Parents being dishonest about their kid having Covid was/is just keeping with the status quo. Parents have always sent their kids to school knowing they're sick. Have a fever, vomiting, diarrhea, hacking cough, lethargic; doesn't matter. Many parents count on the school to be their daycare while they work, and don't have viable backup plans for a sick kid. Or they just don't want to be bothered. So it's the school's problem and all the people the kids may infect.

 

[Saintman2884]

No doubt

And completely fail to see the irony or hypocrisy

Context and the particular circumstances are a bit different and they involve control. Most parents have far more control over who they choose to allow their kids to invite to birthday parties, hanging out or whatever. When it comes to HS or college to some extent, its essentially out of their hands who their kids interact, run into and discuss. If one of my kids' best friends has a fever or diarrhea, its my house and my rules so I can determine whether he's allowed to stay or go home.

One has to attend school(unless your home-schooled), otherwise it's truancy or if you miss too many days, you'll be held back or fail some of your classes. My attitude or approach might seem old-fashioned but when I was in middle-and-HS, and even college, there were a lot of days I felt physically bad, sore, depressed, distracted by personal problems but I sucked it up and went anyway. Unless I had a bad flu, or gastrointestinal issues(like stomach flu or food poisoning), or had health issues that could be transmitted to others, I toughed it out. One time, when I was in the 8th grade and was working out in the gym, one 25 lb. barbell fell on and broke 2-3 of my middle toes on my right foot, it felt like a thousand needles being burned into my skin, but I went to a local hospital, had it cauterized, stiches put in and a cast put on, and thankfully since this injury happened the Thursday before Spring Break 1995, I stayed off my feet for a week and went back to class with my foot in a cast the following week.

One time, I had a big final exam for a class in college that would cement me having an A in this class if I did well, on the morning of the day I was supposed to take this final exam, I felt really under the weather, but since that class was my only one for the day, I told my professor, fellow classmates to keep their distance from me and I sat, alone away from rest of the class while we were taking the exam. Once I was finished, I left the class and the Humanities Division where the department was apart of, had a friend pick me up and drive me home.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Context and the particular circumstances are a bit different and they involve control. Most parents have far more control over who they choose to allow their kids to invite to birthday parties, hanging out or whatever. When it comes to HS or college to some extent, its essentially out of their hands who their kids interact, run into and discuss. If one of my kids' best friends has a fever or diarrhea, its my house and my rules so I can determine whether he's allowed to stay or go home.

One has to attend school(unless your home-schooled), otherwise it's truancy or if you miss too many days, you'll be held back or fail some of your classes. My attitude or approach might seem old-fashioned but when I was in middle-and-HS, and even college, there were a lot of days I felt physically bad, sore, depressed, distracted by personal problems but I sucked it up and went anyway. Unless I had a bad flu, or gastrointestinal issues(like stomach flu or food poisoning), or had health issues that could be transmitted to others, I toughed it out. One time, when I was in the 8th grade and was working out in the gym, one 25 lb. barbell fell on and broke 2-3 of my middle toes on my right foot, it felt like a thousand needles being burned into my skin, but I went to a local hospital, had it cauterized, stiches put in and a cast put on, and thankfully since this injury happened the Thursday before Spring Break 1995, I stayed off my feet for a week and went back to class with my foot in a cast the following week.

One time, I had a big final exam for a class in college that would cement me having an A in this class if I did well, on the morning of the day I was supposed to take this final exam, I felt really under the weather, but since that class was my only one for the day, I told my professor, fellow classmates to keep their distance from me and I sat, alone away from rest of the class while we were taking the exam. Once I was finished, I left the class and the Humanities Division where the department was apart of, had a friend pick me up and drive me home.

even pre pandemic and for adults as well as students people were saying we (as a country) needed to stop with the "suck it up, I'm not going to let this stop me" mindset

If you're sick keep your butt at home

If you do that's one missed day for you. if you don't and go in you can make several other people sick, who may get sicker than you

So what could have been your one sick day ends up turning into 8 sick days for several people all because you decided to 'tough it out'

 

[bigdaddysaints]

I hate 'perfect attendence" policies that do not include excused days. We had one at my job for a while, but it included excused absences (we had sick days and as long as you used those hours, it didn't count against you). With school, its kind of stupid because sometimes a kid is sick but not sick enough to go to the doctor, or impossible to get a same day Dr Appt. All those policies do is convince people to come to work sick. Another bad excample is, we had a ploicy that if you missed a day before or after a holiday you lose your holiday pay. One woman was out of sick time and actually came to work still recovering from Pneumonia..

 

[Saintman2884]

I hate 'perfect attendence" policies that do not include excused days. We had one at my job for a while, but it included excused absences (we had sick days and as long as you used those hours, it didn't count against you). With school, its kind of stupid because sometimes a kid is sick but not sick enough to go to the doctor, or impossible to get a same day Dr Appt. All those policies do is convince people to come to work sick. Another bad excample is, we had a ploicy that if you missed a day before or after a holiday you lose your holiday pay. One woman was out of sick time and actually came to work still recovering from Pneumonia..

If a kid has an ear ache or his body feels sore from twisting his body around in certain positions from bowling, that doesn't qualify to make someone to be excused from work or going to school, sometimes just taking a Tylenol or an Advil will help. We're not always going to feel forking 100% every day, if not 40-50% of our lives, I'm not talking about flu, Covid-19, or stomach flu, I'm referring to minor or moderate aches and pains that our more easily treatable.

 

[Saintman2884]

even pre pandemic and for adults as well as students people were saying we (as a country) needed to stop with the "suck it up, I'm not going to let this stop me" mindset

If you're sick keep your butt at home

If you do that's one missed day for you. if you don't and go in you can make several other people sick, who may get sicker than you

So what could have been your one sick day ends up turning into 8 sick days for several people all because you decided to 'tough it out'

Sometimes, you have to work, go to school or do errands around the house when you don't want to, you're sore or tired or exhausted. I'm not talking about having the flu, stomach flu, or Covid-19, I'm talking about how most people who will never feel 100% all the time, and suffer from back aches, minor or moderate pain in their shoulders, fingers, hips recurrent or periodically, or all the time and they still soldier on.

Thats just how life works and the way it is. Maybe its unfair and likely to many, its insufferable bullshirt, or grating or annoying. But cursing it out even among like-minded friends or co-workers doesn't change the bitter reality that one has to face it and overcome it.

 

[bigdaddysaints]

Sometimes, you have to work, go to school or do errands around the house when you don't want to, you're sore or tired or exhausted. I'm not talking about having the flu, stomach flu, or Covid-19, I'm talking about how most people who will never feel 100% all the time, and suffer from back aches, minor or moderate pain in their shoulders, fingers, hips recurrent or periodically, or all the time and they still soldier on.

Thats just how life works and the way it is. Maybe its unfair and likely to many, its insufferable bullshirt, or grating or annoying. But cursing it out even among like-minded friends or co-workers doesn't change the bitter reality that one has to face it and overcome it.

well, i worked at a grocery dist center for 12 years and my job was physical. I hurt my back one weekend at home. I for sure couldn't have went to work and slung 50lb items for 10 hours. But i ended up going to a Baseball game that night. My supervisor tried to call me out on it. It blew my mind he couldn't comprhend the difference in manual labor for 10 hours and sitting in a chair for 3 hours (which is what i would i did most of that day already). Had i gone to work, i wouldn't have been able to pull my percentage for the day and probably would have gotten a write up...
i have 8 people under me at work. They all have 144 Hours of PTO. I could care less if they miss work for the FLU or they stubbed their big toe or just feel tired. I have never sent my children to school knowinly if they had fever, vomiting , hacking cough.. They can miss a certain amount of days each year without an excuse. I have let my children stay home because they just didn't feel well that morning. I sure in the hell wouldn't have sent them to school if i knew they had covid, or even if i THOUGHT they had Covid...

 

[Saintman2884]

well, i worked at a grocery dist center for 12 years and my job was physical. I hurt my back one weekend at home. I for sure couldn't have went to work and slung 50lb items for 10 hours. But i ended up going to a Baseball game that night. My supervisor tried to call me out on it. It blew my mind he couldn't comprhend the difference in manual labor for 10 hours and sitting in a chair for 3 hours (which is what i would i did most of that day already). Had i gone to work, i wouldn't have been able to pull my percentage for the day and probably would have gotten a write up...
i have 8 people under me at work. They all have 144 Hours of PTO. I could care less if they miss work for the FLU or they stubbed their big toe or just feel tired. I have never sent my children to school knowinly if they had fever, vomiting , hacking cough.. They can miss a certain amount of days each year without an excuse. I have let my children stay home because they just didn't feel well that morning. I sure in the hell wouldn't have sent them to school if i knew they had covid, or even if i THOUGHT they had Covid...

But, I never said or believed that if anyone has flu, pneumonia, stomach flu, or Covid-19 they shouldn't be allowed to stay home to get well. Throwing up depends on the context or circumstances, if its due to side-effects as it relates to chemotherapy, or various types of cancer, that's one thing, if its because someone ate something bad the night before or the morning of, and after vomiting, they feel better and can continue working or functioning, so be it.

There comes a point where if your children say or claim to be sick all the time, and they miss too much time at school, it'll be held against them just like missing way too many days at work. That's also a reality that can't be ignored or overlooked.