COVID-19 Outbreak Information Updates (Reboot) [over 150.000,000 US cases (est.), 6,422,520 US hospitilizations, 1,148,691 US deaths.] (3 Viewers)

[Infoman]

As with most things... Jon gets it...

Jon Stewart recalls outrage after he backed COVID-19 lab leak theory: ‘F–k you, I’m done’

Stewart said he was stunned by the “anger” he faced for supporting the lab leak theory.

nypost.com

“A chance? Oh my God!” Stewart replied with clear incredulity. “There’s a novel respiratory coronavirus overtaking Wuhan, China, what do we do? Oh, you know who we could ask? The Wuhan novel respiratory coronavirus lab.”

“‘Oh my God, there’s been an outbreak of chocolatey goodness near Hershey, Pennsylvania. What do you think happened?'” Stewart added. “Like, ‘Oh, I don’t know, maybe a steam shovel mated with a cocoa bean?’ Or it’s the f—ing chocolate factory.”

The Energy Department said it had “low confidence” in its determination about the COVID-19 virus’s origins, sources with knowledge of the report told the Wall Street Journal.

A year earlier, the FBI concluded with “moderate confidence” that a lab accident caused the outbreak.

 

[DavidM]

I guess my point is that we shouldn't fight with each other over whether it was a lab leak or not, because none of us have any idea what we are talking about.

And without Chinese cooperation, we aren't likely to ever know.

 

[efil4stnias]

But you know, China... is still lying their arse off about all of it, so its hard to know anything for certain.

China still says COVID originated somewhere else LOL. They have lied and dissembled at every turn since this started - it's like Kremlinology from the Cold War - we have to piece together the puzzle from the outside.

Of course they are.

So what do you propose we do? bicker about the origins because "I wUz RiGht?

Who really gives a flyin #$@#$ who was right about WHERE this originated? it doesnt change ANYTHING in hindsight. Moving forward- what do we do ?

Or do we just "but you know China" for another decade?

This isnt a moment for some to say " YEP I KNEW IT" like its some measure of intelligence. Cool, now what genius? ( not you - in general ) Every single post i see of folks saying " i knew it" or "see the these folks knew it", no one seems to follow it with " so heres what we do going forward" post.

 

[Mr. Sparkle]

Of course they are.

So what do you propose we do? bicker about the origins because "I wUz RiGht?

Who really gives a flyin #$@#$ who was right about WHERE this originated? it doesnt change ANYTHING in hindsight. Moving forward- what do we do ?

Or do we just "but you know China" for another decade?

This isnt a moment for some to say " YEP I KNEW IT" like its some measure of intelligence. Cool, now what genius? ( not you - in general ) Every single post i see of folks saying " i knew it" or "see the these folks knew it", no one seems to follow it with " so heres what we do going forward" post.

The range of options of what to do is wildly different if we know its origin. From shutting down similar research around the world if its the product of an experiment gone wrong or doubling down on other research if we find the magic pangolin or whatever it might have been that bridged it to humans, or digging a whole lot deeper into our own (US) role in what was happening in the Wuhan lab - the range of next steps varies by about 180 degrees depending on the actual source.

'Oh well its over, China sucks, whatever, who cares where it came from,' seems like a very bad approach. Especially when people who should know better are trying to shut down any line of inquiry into the lab theory. Talk about "anti-science."

 

[efil4stnias]

The range of options of what to do is wildly different if we know its origin. From shutting down similar research around the world if its the product of an experiment gone wrong or doubling down on other research if we find the magic pangolin or whatever it might have been that bridged it to humans, or digging a whole lot deeper into our own (US) role in what was happening in the Wuhan lab - the range of next steps varies by about 180 degrees depending on the actual source.

'Oh well its over, China sucks, whatever, who cares where it came from,' seems like a very bad approach. Especially when people who should know better are trying to shut down any line of inquiry into the lab theory. Talk about "anti-science."

i am of the position that folks well above my pay grade are making plans/determinations as to what to do next.

We entrust our government to handle, as they see fit. If we dont care for results, we vote.

 

[faceman]

i am of the position that folks well above my pay grade are making plans/determinations as to what to do next.

We entrust our government to handle, as they see fit. If we dont care for results, we vote.

I am the same. I vote for whom I believe will make good decisions. It
doesn't matter which party he or she belongs too. I'll check their voting
record and vote accordingly if their stances agree or disagree with mine

 

[bigdaddysaints]

The range of options of what to do is wildly different if we know its origin. From shutting down similar research around the world if its the product of an experiment gone wrong or doubling down on other research if we find the magic pangolin or whatever it might have been that bridged it to humans, or digging a whole lot deeper into our own (US) role in what was happening in the Wuhan lab - the range of next steps varies by about 180 degrees depending on the actual source.

'Oh well its over, China sucks, whatever, who cares where it came from,' seems like a very bad approach. Especially when people who should know better are trying to shut down any line of inquiry into the lab theory. Talk about "anti-science."

I mean, we could invade China to make them answer to us. Or maybe we should cut off all financial ties with China to force them to let us investigate.. Do you have a plan to make China let us do a legt investigation, or are you more content with just blaming Facebook, Twitter and Joe Biden for "hiding the truth"? Its very crappy we'll never know the truth. But just because we don't know the truth, doesn't mean what you want it to be is the truth..

 

[Mr. Sparkle]

I mean, we could invade China to make them answer to us. Or maybe we should cut off all financial ties with China to force them to let us investigate.. Do you have a plan to make China let us do a legt investigation, or are you more content with just blaming Facebook, Twitter and Joe Biden for "hiding the truth"? Its very crappy we'll never know the truth. But just because we don't know the truth, doesn't mean what you want it to be is the truth..

We have a range of options well short of 'invading China' or 'cutting off all financial ties', some of which I mentioned above. But choosing the right options depends on getting the right facts.

We're talking about 7 million deaths - I think getting some answers, incomplete though they may be, is a worthwhile endeavor.

Nobody likes admitting they were wrong, or that it turns out the Wrong People actually had it right on something, but I don't really understand the hostility towards digging for an answer on Covid-19, or correcting the dominant narrative when it turns out to be flatly incorrect.

As for Facebook, Twitter and Joe Biden, that's a whole 'nuther thread but yeah there should be some sort of reckoning on how our media machine handled Covid. It'll never happen of course and will only get worse but massive failures abound in our major institutions.

 

[Brandon13]

A lab leak but not man-made has logically always been the most likely thing to have occurred considering the existence of the lab right there imo.

It does for sure suck how every position on just about anything is generally staked out and divided up along familiar political lines but just the way it is I guess.

 

[efil4stnias]

Nobody likes admitting they were wrong, or that it turns out the Wrong People actually had it right on something, but I don't really understand the hostility towards digging for an answer on Covid-19, or correcting the dominant narrative when it turns out to be flatly incorrect.

because correcting the current narrative doesnt solve ANY issue of "what now"

Again, you said its a worthy "endeavor" ( to get answers ) - we have em.

Its either natural or lab leaked. sooooooo ill ask again...now what?

or better yet- Yes its lab leaked- what do you propose? ASK China to shut down labs? TELL China ? ( which would then require some sort of "support" - but in what form? ) Do we puff out our chest and demand answers we know we will never get? What would make you feel better? Do you know for a fact that we are doing absolutely nothing in regards to China/Covid/Labs etc?

 

[Maxp]

Whether or not it was a lab leak, the Chinese government has previously accused the US military of spreading COVID in Wuhan. There is no way we will ever get to the truth. Anyone in that lab is probably locked away or dead. Let's see how our government uses the growing sentiment of a lab leak in it's relations with China.

 

[DaveXA]

because correcting the current narrative doesnt solve ANY issue of "what now"

Again, you said its a worthy "endeavor" ( to get answers ) - we have em.

Its either natural or lab leaked. sooooooo ill ask again...now what?

or better yet- Yes its lab leaked- what do you propose? ASK China to shut down labs? TELL China ? ( which would then require some sort of "support" - but in what form? ) Do we puff out our chest and demand answers we know we will never get? What would make you feel better? Do you know for a fact that we are doing absolutely nothing in regards to China/Covid/Labs etc?

Well, lab leaked actually could be natural in the sense that they discovered it in the wild, brought it to the lab, then it got leaked out.

I think it would be worth knowing whether China is capable of creating a weaponized virus on their own. That would change the calculus of what kind of threat China can be.

I tend to think this wasn't a weaponized virus, but rather originated in nature, brought to the lab and leaked out. Now the question is whether the leak was intentional or inadvertent. No telling at this point.

 

[Optimus Prime]

The UK government considered whether it might have to ask people to exterminate all pet cats during the early days of the Covid pandemic, a former health minister said.

It was unclear whether domestic cats could transmit coronavirus, James Bethell said.

He told Channel 4 News: “What we shouldn’t forget is how little we understood about this disease. There was a moment we were very unclear about whether domestic pets could transmit the disease.

“In fact, there was an idea at one moment that we might have to ask the public to exterminate all the cats in Britain. Can you imagine what would have happened if we had wanted to do that?”

In July 2020, at the height of the Covid crisis, cat owners were warned not to kiss their pets after a female Siamese became the first known animal in the UK to catch the disease.

Margaret Hosie, a professor of comparative virology at Glasgow University who led the screening programme, advised cat owners at the time to “observe very careful hygiene”……

UK cat cull was considered early in Covid crisis, ex-minister says

James Bethell says government considered whether all pet cats might have to be put down to contain virus

www.theguardian.com

 

[Saintman2884]

Actually, not that many, unless you're you're at or near the head of an agency. Most (like 95%+) people who work for the federal government don't have that kind of pull...and same for most who work for contractors.

As for trade with China, that's nothing new as that's been going on for decades. We trade with a lot of countries we don't particularly like.

China is our biggest trading problem, or one of the biggest. Our trade volume with them as well as deficits is larger than many of other nations that are on good terms with us like UK, France, Germany,. We may trade with a lot of countries we don't particularly like, but in terms of volume, context and gravity of it affects our overall economy, and international trade as a whole, if our relations with China go bad, it is far more serious than lets say, us deciding to not do business with Venezuela, North Korea, or Myanmar because of their horrendous human rights abuses, or their oil-based economy was mismanaged and is a Prime modern example of "Dutch disease" along with horrendous, simple-minded economic policies followed by Hugo Chavez's (and now Maduro's) regimes. Venezuela has become sort of the Zimbabwe of Latin America.

A lot of vested financial, economic interests would be seriously damaged, maybe ruined worldwide if our relationship ties got severely strained so yeah, follow the money indeed, it wouldn't be in our nation's financial best interests to get too angry AND upset over Chinese lying about and trying to cover up an accidental Coronavirus leak that became the world's deadliest, severe medical pandemic in a century and has killed, infected tens of millions of people.

 

[faceman]

Well, lab leaked actually could be natural in the sense that they discovered it in the wild, brought it to the lab, then it got leaked out.

I think it would be worth knowing whether China is capable of creating a weaponized virus on their own. That would change the calculus of what kind of threat China can be.

I tend to think this wasn't a weaponized virus, but rather originated in nature, brought to the lab and leaked out. Now the question is whether the leak was intentional or inadvertent. No telling at this point.

My bother in law ( yes I got a lot of them. My wife has 7 sisters and I have 3 )
The one who was married to my wife's older sister was a E-9 retired from
the Navy. He told me when he served there was speculation the North
Koreans were trying to make the AIDS virus airborn back in the 80's