COVID-19 Outbreak Information Updates (Reboot) [over 150.000,000 US cases (est.), 6,422,520 US hospitilizations, 1,148,691 US deaths.] (2 Viewers)

[efil4stnias]

The importance of finding the origin is about preventing the next one.

If one of 100 nuclear power plants with the same design has a meltdown tomorrow it’s important to know whether it was a design flaw or a terrorist act. Even if everyone gets radiation poisoning no matter what.

so are we mad at the experts or wanting to prevent the next outbreak?

or both?

Im all about the latter. Said as much going back to 2021 when the first post was started in Jan. Its not a "blame game" at this point- its a matter of protection ( lab vs natural - what can we do better in either situation? )

But in order to do this, China needs to be on board. They arent. So how do you propose to get them on board?

They blocked any and all communications regarding the new virus back to Dec 2020. ONly when someone posted a "WeChat" of a Chinese doc did things pick up - Chinese govt did EVERYHTING it could to block leaking info from inside China, and by the time they realized they couldnt stop, the horse was out the barn.

NOW we get into the geopolitical aspect of pulling China into a "world" democracy- something they want NO PART of. To want to CARE about not only their own, but every other human on the planet. However, as we have seen, they have little to no desire to care for their own, much less the world population. Its a communist state. Xi is the authoritarian ruler and is bound by no borders with respect to operating in his own ( China ) interest.

Nuclear Power plants are overseen by the IAEA- they are allowed anywhere at anytime. Do we give WHO the same "clout"? And if a government like China flat our refuses entry, then what?

Lots of moving parts that all have to come together, in unison, to work properly.

 

[brandon8283]

I personally think truth and transparency from the beginning, and not politicizing the pandemic... would have greatly reduced the number of denier/anti vaxers from the onset...

The deniers and anti-vaxxers were the ones who politicized it.

 

[Mr. Sparkle]

FWIW here is the Director of the FBI on their assessment of Covid origin

 

[DaveXA]

FWIW here is the Director of the FBI on their assessment of Covid origin

Most likely...potential...maybe...possible...who knows? Lol.

 

[Taurus]

Are we going to file this under "no ish"? Or just brush it to the side along with all the other lies we've been told by the government since this whole thing started?

WSJ News Exclusive | Lab Leak Most Likely Origin of Covid-19 Pandemic, Energy Department Now Says

The U.S. agency’s revised assessment of how the pandemic started is based on new intelligence.

www.wsj.com

It's BS.

I have no idea how they get 'most likely' from "low confidence".

It's like taking a witness statement that they have no idea what color the getaway car was...it was dark, foggy and some dude kept shining a flashlight and saying "So it *was* a green car!"

More to the point, if it *did* come from a lab...Covid schmovid, it means the Chinese can turn a bat virus into a human virus without leaving any evidence of human manipulation. So good not even the top virologists in the world can tell.

 

[Mr. Sparkle]

This is a decent write up from 2 left leaning outfits on some of the problems at the Wuhan lab in 2019.

A lot of evidence that there was some sort of catastrophic failure but, you know, China….

COVID-19 Origins: Investigating a “Complex and Grave Situation” Inside a Wuhan Lab

The Wuhan lab at the center of suspicions about the pandemic’s onset was far more troubled than known, documents unearthed by a Senate team reveal. Tracing the evidence, Vanity Fair and ProPublica give the clearest view yet of a biocomplex in crisis.

www.propublica.org

 

[efil4stnias]

But you know, China....





No I don't...explain it.

 

[bigdaddysaints]

yea, all the articles that say stuff like "maybe, potentially, could have, possibly" are just that.
OJ probably, most likely, could have, and maybe killed his wife. but only 3 people know the real answer, and 2 can't talk about it..

 

[Mr. Sparkle]

But you know, China....





No I don't...explain it.

But you know, China... is still lying their arse off about all of it, so its hard to know anything for certain.

China still says COVID originated somewhere else LOL. They have lied and dissembled at every turn since this started - it's like Kremlinology from the Cold War - we have to piece together the puzzle from the outside.

The authors of the interim report do not claim to have definitively solved the mystery of COVID-19’s origin. “The lack of transparency from government and public health officials in the [People’s Republic of China] with respect to the origins of SARS-CoV-2 prevents reaching a more definitive conclusion,” the report says, adding that its conclusion could change if more independently verifiable information becomes available.

Throughout the pandemic, the WIV has largely remained a black box, owing to the Chinese government’s refusal to cooperate with international probes. By mining the WIV’s own records, Toy Reid and Senate researchers unearthed new clues that support the interim report’s assessment that a lab accident was “most likely” responsible for the pandemic.

 

[faceman]

More to the point, if it *did* come from a lab...Covid schmovid, it means the Chinese can turn a bat virus into a human virus without leaving any evidence of human manipulation. So good not even the top virologists in the world can tell.

Yeah, if you look back to the early parts of both threads you'll see where
several top virologists said if it were man made it would have
"human fingerprints"

 

[Mr. Sparkle]

Yeah, if you look back to the early parts of both threads you'll see where
several top virologists said if it were man made it would have
"human fingerprints"

Just to be clear, "lab leak" is not necessarily the same as "man-made." SARS escaped from a Beijing lab twice in 2004.

It doesn't have to be a bio-weapon to have come from a Wuhan lab.

 

[DaveXA]

Just to be clear, "lab leak" is not necessarily the same as "man-made." SARS escaped from a Beijing lab twice in 2004.

It doesn't have to be a bio-weapon to have come from a Wuhan lab.

Yeah, that's more in line with what I'm thinking. They somehow discovered the Covid virus and not realizing how serious and contagious it was, it leaked out and spread like wildfire from there. I can't imagine they developed the virus on their own.

 

[Taurus]

Yeah, if you look back to the early parts of both threads you'll see where
several top virologists said if it were man made it would have
"human fingerprints"

Exactly. Which is where the pushback regarding a laboratory source comes from.

At the time, nobody was looking at the possibility the Chinese somehow isolated a naturally-mutated bat virus that could infect humans, did nothing with it, then lost containment and now we have Covid. That's a long, strange limb to go out on.

 

[bigdaddysaints]

Just to be clear, "lab leak" is not necessarily the same as "man-made." SARS escaped from a Beijing lab twice in 2004.

It doesn't have to be a bio-weapon to have come from a Wuhan lab.

For some reason, when the conspiracy types read lab leak, they 100% think man-made and bio weapon. i think thats where the seperation comes in with this discussion (not here, i mean in general). I am glad you mentioned that.

 

[WhoDatPhan78]

Wray said yesterday that the FBI assessment is that it was likely a lab leak.

This is just like at the beginning of the pandemic. We don't know anything, so anything we say is just a guess.

The officials are starting to trend towards suggesting it was a lab leak, so i don't think we should be hard on anyone who thinks its a lab leak. Anything any of us says is just an uneducated guess, based on what more educated people are saying, but even the more educated people have sent mixed signals.

I guess my point is that we shouldn't fight with each other over whether it was a lab leak or not, because none of us have any idea what we are talking about.