COVID-19 Outbreak Information Updates (Reboot) [over 150.000,000 US cases (est.), 6,422,520 US hospitilizations, 1,148,691 US deaths.] (2 Viewers)

[DaveXA]

How many US GOV employees, contractors. and politicians are bought and sold by US Corps and Special Interests? How many of those Corps and Special interests rely on trade and production from China? Follow the money....

• U.S. goods and services trade with China totaled an estimated $615.2 billion in 2020. Exports were $164.9 billion; imports were $450.4 billion. The U.S. goods and services trade deficit with China was $285.5 billion in 2020.

The People's Republic of China

U.S.-China Trade Facts U.S. goods and private services trade with China totaled $579 billion in 2012 (latest data available). Exports totaled $141 billion; Imports totaled $439 billion. The U.S. goods and services trade deficit with China was $298 billion in 2012.

ustr.gov

Actually, not that many, unless you're you're at or near the head of an agency. Most (like 95%+) people who work for the federal government don't have that kind of pull...and same for most who work for contractors.

As for trade with China, that's nothing new as that's been going on for decades. We trade with a lot of countries we don't particularly like.

 

[Saint_Ward]

 

[Infoman]

Funny, everything I read this morning was like... A new classified Department of Energy report indicates support for the theory that the COVID-19 outbreak likely began with a laboratory leak in Wuhan... Now it's all being walked back... Not surprised. Guess the Dept. of Energy didn't get the memo... If it was Classified and Low Confidence... why put it out there?

 

[Infoman]

Actually, not that many, unless you're you're at or near the head of an agency. Most (like 95%+) people who work for the federal government don't have that kind of pull...and same for most who work for contractors.

As for trade with China, that's nothing new as that's been going on for decades. We trade with a lot of countries we don't particularly like.

I was talking about agency heads, politicians, lobbyists, SIGs, etc... not average Joe at the Comptroller office , and my point was... what would China do in retaliation for blame... we know these types on our side are going to try to keep the money flowing no matter what.

 

[Maxp]

Funny, everything I read this morning was like... A new classified Department of Energy report indicates support for the theory that the COVID-19 outbreak likely began with a laboratory leak in Wuhan... Now it's all being walked back... Not surprised. Guess the Dept. of Energy didn't get the memo... If it was Classified and Low Confidence... why put it out there?

Nothing is being walked back other than people realizing they just looked at a headline.

 

[Mr. Sparkle]

Is this not the study that said a low probability of a lab leak origin?

They said they have "low confidence" in their assessment.

The FBI has the same view but they state they have "moderate confidence" in that assessment.
and then there's this:

The National Intelligence Council, which conducts long-term strategic analysis, and four agencies, which officials declined to identify, still assess with “low confidence” that the virus came about through natural transmission from an infected animal, according to the updated report.

So some agencies say lab leak, some say natural transmission, but none of them have a lot of confidence in their opinion - mostly because China will not cooperate.

WSJ News Exclusive | Lab Leak Most Likely Origin of Covid-19 Pandemic, Energy Department Now Says

The U.S. agency’s revised assessment of how the pandemic started is based on new intelligence.

www.wsj.com

 

[DaveXA]

I was talking about agency heads, politicians, lobbyists, SIGs, etc... not average Joe at the Comptroller office , and my point was... what would China do in retaliation for blame... we know these types on our side are going to try to keep the money flowing no matter what.

Some may well do that. But good luck figuring out who, what, when. And a lot of it feeds into conspiracy narratives, which we really don't need. China is no friend of ours in terms of national security, but we can and do share resources because unavoidably, we live in a global economy. It is what it is. The reporting on the Wuhan lab has been muddled at best and deliberately deceiving at worst. The first report stated low confidence in the first paragraph, then the rest of the article contradicted the opening paragraph. It was frankly poor journalism.

The way I read it, the authorities in the know have never stated they were confident that the lab leak happened. As with a lot of things, the truth gets lost somewhere along the way.

I've always thought the Covid virus was a result of the leak, but that's always been an unproven theory and remains so today. And even if it were all along, it wouldn't have changed the trajectory of the virus. The only difference is maybe we push back vs China a bit more, but that's all I can see.

 

[DaveXA]

Nothing is being walked back other than people realizing they just looked at a headline.

Yeah, I tend to think someone ran with an incomplete story.

 

[bigdaddysaints]

I actually think it would have cut down on the ant-vaxxers and the Covid deniers if we new for sure it was a lab leak from China from jump. I am pretty sure our Vaccination rate would be over 90% if day one we knew it was a China Lab leak. Majortiy of the Covid Anti Vaxers reasoning is purely political...

 

[Optimus Prime]

I actually think it would have cut down on the ant-vaxxers and the Covid deniers if we new for sure it was a lab leak from China from jump. I am pretty sure our Vaccination rate would be over 90% if day one we knew it was a China Lab leak. Majortiy of the Covid Anti Vaxers reasoning is purely political...

I disagree with that

I still don’t think anything would have changed if we knew from jump it was a lab leak or natural

I can’t see what difference it would make to the denier/anti vax crowd

 

[faceman]

I actually think it would have cut down on the ant-vaxxers and the Covid deniers if we new for sure it was a lab leak from China from jump. I am pretty sure our Vaccination rate would be over 90% if day one we knew it was a China Lab leak. Majortiy of the Covid Anti Vaxers reasoning is purely political...

I would have to disagree as well. There are still people out there who
won't get vaccinated for any reason. I personally know a few

 

[DaveXA]

I would have to disagree as well. There are still people out there who
won't get vaccinated for any reason. I personally know a few

I think it would have helped more get vaxxed sooner. I think the federal response happens quicker and those slow to get vaccinated sooner would have done so if the cause being attributed to the leak. I think the idea that the virus was intentionally leaked to cause harm, and people who were hesitant wouldn't have hesitated as much. But that's an educated guess on my part.

 

[faceman]

I think it would have helped more get vaxxed sooner. I think the federal response happens quicker and those slow to get vaccinated sooner would have done so if the cause being attributed to the leak. I think the idea that the virus was intentionally leaked to cause harm, and people who were hesitant wouldn't have hesitated as much. But that's an educated guess on my part.

I agree, but what I want to say has to be discussed on the political forum.
All I will say is we screwed up badly in the political arena.

 

[Infoman]

I personally think truth and transparency from the beginning, and not politicizing the pandemic... would have greatly reduced the number of denier/anti vaxers from the onset... That coupled with the constant lie being broadcasted that "if you get the shot, you can't get it - or spread it".... (which anyone who knows how vaccines work, knew was false).... Made it much worse.... I know people like that as well... Myself, I got the shot early on... but I can also see why many are less than willing to do so. It's been a cluster flip since day one.

 

[Mr. Sparkle]

The importance of finding the origin is about preventing the next one.

If one of 100 nuclear power plants with the same design has a meltdown tomorrow it’s important to know whether it was a design flaw or a terrorist act. Even if everyone gets radiation poisoning no matter what.