COVID-19 Outbreak (Update: More than 2.9M cases and 132,313 deaths in US) (4 Viewers)

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FootballLady said:
If you have kids, how are they isolated? They have each other.
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Avoiding the obvious semantic exercise, I think the child development experts have warned that the longer this goes, the more (potentially) damaging it is to children - and for different reasons at different ages.

They're isolated from their school life. They're isolated from their friends. They're isolated from the social events. These things are important not only for kids' well-being but for their psychological and social development. The longer these really significant distancing measures (e.g. schools closed, group activities like camps and parties remain unavailable), the more likely it is that some kids will suffer meaningful impact.

I have a 5-year old and a 7-year old. I'm not too worried about it now, but I do have real concerns about if we end up in another state of emergency in the fall.
 
Loose Cannon said:
I must have missed that one.

I would disagree with that take, then (despite what I said about Boomers in the other thread.. lol). But I think the @ post towards Sammy was still unnecessary and counterproductive. I think I'll just grow my ignore list to 3 today. :winkthumb:
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This is the post I was referring to.

sammymvpknight said:
I'm sorry man. One of my daughters, who is very well adjusted started having night terrors this past week. She hasn't seen her friends in months. She use to like school and education. She is becoming more depressed with each passing day with this home school set-up. What we are doing right now simply is NOT sustainable. I'd gladly see my grandpa die for the sake of my children. Call me callus, but it is what it is. I truly believe that are underestimating the psychological ramifications that this has on our country...especially on our children.
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DaveXA said:
This is the post I was referring to.
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Got it.

I'd strongly disagree with Sammy because kids dealing with trauma can oftentimes be overcome or fixed, whereas death, well, can't.

But I think if you asked a lot of grandparents, they might agree with him.
 
superchuck500 said:
Avoiding the obvious semantic exercise, I think the child development experts have warned that the longer this goes, the more (potentially) damaging it is to children - and for different reasons at different ages.

They're isolated from their school life. They're isolated from their friends. They're isolated from the social events. These things are important not only for kids' well-being but for their psychological and social development. The longer these really significant distancing measures (e.g. schools closed, group activities like camps and parties remain unavailable), the more likely it is that some kids will suffer meaningful impact.

I have a 5-year old and a 7-year old. I'm not too worried about it now, but I do have real concerns about if we end up in another state of emergency in the fall.
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And I understand the apprehension. I'll be concerned as well. But, we all have to make difficult choices at times in our life. That said, I think kids are often more resilient than we give them credit for. If you communicate well and give parental time and do things with them, that can help with some of the lack of physical interaction with their friends. It's not the same, but they'll survive.
 
Loose Cannon said:
Got it.

I'd strongly disagree with Sammy because kids dealing with trauma can oftentimes be overcome or fixed, whereas death, well, can't.

But I think if you asked a lot of grandparents, they might agree with him.
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Absolutely. My parents would willingly do it. But not me, and why the hell would I want to traumatize my kids more by killing off their grandparents? My kids talk to my parents every now and then and they would be crushed if they knew that their grandparents' death was because they needed a social life.

When you start rationalizing the death of older and weaker people so that the younger has a better quality of life, that's not a world I want to live in.
 
superchuck500 said:
Avoiding the obvious semantic exercise, I think the child development experts have warned that the longer this goes, the more (potentially) damaging it is to children - and for different reasons at different ages.

They're isolated from their school life. They're isolated from their friends. They're isolated from the social events. These things are important not only for kids' well-being but for their psychological and social development. The longer these really significant distancing measures (e.g. schools closed, group activities like camps and parties remain unavailable), the more likely it is that some kids will suffer meaningful impact.

I have a 5-year old and a 7-year old. I'm not too worried about it now, but I do have real concerns about if we end up in another state of emergency in the fall.
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Yeah, my 16 year old is doing okay. He's online with his friends a lot, and he works a few nights a week, so he's enjoying that outlet. I am getting a little worried about my 12 year old. He's normally introverted, so he's just fine staying in his room all day by himself without speaking to anyone, but I think he could benefit from some social interaction.
 
superchuck500 said:
Avoiding the obvious semantic exercise, I think the child development experts have warned that the longer this goes, the more (potentially) damaging it is to children - and for different reasons at different ages.

They're isolated from their school life. They're isolated from their friends. They're isolated from the social events. These things are important not only for kids' well-being but for their psychological and social development. The longer these really significant distancing measures (e.g. schools closed, group activities like camps and parties remain unavailable), the more likely it is that some kids will suffer meaningful impact.

I have a 5-year old and a 7-year old. I'm not too worried about it now, but I do have real concerns about if we end up in another state of emergency in the fall.
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MIne have done surprisingly well so far, I'm really proud of them. My son just had his 8th birthday party yesterday at home. Got to see Grandparents but thats it. I took him swimming and we had fun. He was happy and all is well.

I think they can make it to next summer without bigger issues coming to play but anything beyond that would start to really take a toll.
 
It's going to be really interesting to look at the cohort of kids who went through this at various different ages when they're adults to see if there was any sociological impact on them. I wouldn't expect my 19 month old to be impacted by it, but I bet there will be some impact to older kids. They might end up being good things. There might be more value placed on family as they see family units pull together to get through a crisis, etc. Or they might be weirdos that play footsies to introduce themselves. Who knows. It's fascinating to think about though.
 
Saint by the Bay said:
There was a disagreement on schools based on the fact that not all jobs were shut down and there was a debate about what low-income families that were considered essential would do for childcare. In a city with such a large underemployed populace it was a reasonable concern.

Don't get me started on de Blasio and the subways. I won't be able to seek a higher level. That donkey (and I mean the other word) actually encouraged people to ride the subway and took a ride on it to show them it was safe. What a maroon. Who knows how many people got infected following that Pied Piper of ignorance.
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The recognition that school meals were the only food that some kids got and how to keep feeding them was another pressing concern
 
Loose Cannon said:
It's going to be really interesting to look at the cohort of kids who went through this at various different ages when they're adults to see if there was any sociological impact on them. I wouldn't expect my 19 month old to be impacted by it, but I bet there will be some impact to older kids. They might end up being good things. There might be more value placed on family as they see family units pull together to get through a crisis, etc. Or they might be weirdos that play footsies to introduce themselves. Who knows. It's fascinating to think about though.
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Yeah, all kids react differently, but I think if any group of kids is prepared to do with this it's this generation of kids. They are used to a lot of their social interaction being in either online video games, social media, Twitch, Instagram, Facetime, Discord, etc. So, they were prepared to deal with this in ways that prior generations were not. Of course, some will still not deal well with limited in person social interaction or more likely not deal with with more social interaction with their parents. But, at least with my daughter's peer group, they seem to be supporting each other and helping each other get through this. I mean some of her friends had issues before all this started and this isn't really helping their social anxiety and depression but they are all helping each other.

I think the people having the bigger issue are parents who are having to stay home and actually talk to a deal with their kids when they are not used to doing that. :)

And, regardless of how fast or slow we move toward opening up, less in person social interaction is likely to be the new normal so we are all going to have to get used to it until we get a vaccine and maybe beyond that.
 
Loose Cannon said:
It's going to be really interesting to look at the cohort of kids who went through this at various different ages when they're adults to see if there was any sociological impact on them. I wouldn't expect my 19 month old to be impacted by it, but I bet there will be some impact to older kids. They might end up being good things. There might be more value placed on family as they see family units pull together to get through a crisis, etc. Or they might be weirdos that play footsies to introduce themselves. Who knows. It's fascinating to think about though.
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I can guarantee you this though, at least as far as my kids go, their claws will come out at the suggestion of trading their social life for their grandparents. I'm kinda proud of them for that. I learned at an early age to love my grandparents, and I was glad I had the chance to grow up around them. Always wanted that for my kids. And happy to see it come to fruition.

And I get where Sammy is coming from too. I acknowledge it's not an easy thing to work through and why he'd come to his own conclusions. I respect it, but we just ultimately disagree. It is what it is.
 
Loose Cannon said:
It's going to be really interesting to look at the cohort of kids who went through this at various different ages when they're adults to see if there was any sociological impact on them. I wouldn't expect my 19 month old to be impacted by it, but I bet there will be some impact to older kids. They might end up being good things. There might be more value placed on family as they see family units pull together to get through a crisis, etc. Or they might be weirdos that play footsies to introduce themselves. Who knows. It's fascinating to think about though.
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Kids are more more adaptable than adults
I imagine a 35 yr old will be effected long term way more than a 15 yr old
 
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