COVID-19 Outbreak (Update: More than 2.9M cases and 132,313 deaths in US) (2 Viewers)

[Saint by the Bay]

The only reason it certainly wont happen is because Americans refuse to hold the party they vote for accountable

I completely agree, but I see no sign that even a plurality of Americans are ready to do that. If anything we are steadily moving in the other direction.

 

[EGLSShin]

I understand i'm going to make a gigantic generalization because i'm basing it on an entire voting block, meaning voters. We get what we deserve, we send the same people to congress for decades and then act surprised when things dont change for the better. This is one of those rare chances where we, the voters can course correct but we'll squander the chance.

I'm completely disappointed in how this shirtshow has been handled from people not taking this seriously to the supposed leaders that acted like 3 year olds.

 

[StudioSaint]

Like an idiot, I continue to allow myself to get sucked into Facebook discussions on this topic, and it is such a maddening exercise.

All I’m going to say is this - we all need to get prepared for a massive spike here within the next two weeks.

Yeah, I'm glad that Los Angeles county and city are keeping the safer at home order in place, because it comes with protections that make it feasible for me to continue to stay at home with the occasional exception of going to the grocery store.

 

[J.T.]

"Pushing deaths into the present" seems like really bad policy when the entire world is rapidly searching for therapeutics and a vaccine. If we discover next month that a combination of remdesivir and another antiviral reduces fatalities and long term health impacts by 90%, then what do the Swedish policy makers tell their people? There is a growing attitude of "accept the inevitability of this disease". It is defeatist and it's an attitude that can contribute to individuals and nations taking the same route as Sweden.

I agree with that. It is what Sweden looks to be doing, I think therapeutics and treatments are close at hand and waiting a little longer for them is likely a good idea.

 

[bonnjer]

All I’m going to say is this - we all need to get prepared for a massive spike here within the next two weeks.

The question is will we learn anything from it when it happens?

 

[N.O.Bronco]

I completely agree, but I see no sign that even a plurality of Americans are ready to do that. If anything we are steadily moving in the other direction.

This doesn’t happen because people can’t agree on what the problem actually is, and this eternal friction didn’t happen by accident. And no, all sides aren’t equally to blame, and the sense that is the case wasn’t an accident either. Almost every major inflection point in history where we look back in hindsight and think how the hell could things have gotten that bad?? Required a chunk of the population to either buy into the latter or fall on the wrong side of the former.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

Man, I want to move to Denmark

 

[B4YOU]

Remember the much hyped Abbott Labs testing device? The false negative rate for this isn't inspiring confidence for viable rapid testing.

False Negatives Raise More Questions About Virus Test Accuracy

New research is raising more questions about tests used around the U.S. to diagnose Covid-19 patients, with some of the tests producing a surprisingly high rate of false negatives that incorrectly show a person isn’t infected.

www.bloomberg.com

"When patients were tested immediately after infection, typically before symptoms occur, the false-negative rate was 100%. On the first day of symptoms, the false-negative rate was 38%. After three days of symptoms, false-negatives dropped to 20%. The rate began getting worse after five days, suggesting a narrow window for the most accurate results."

 

[St. Geezy]

I agree with that. It is what Sweden looks to be doing, I think therapeutics and treatments are close at hand and waiting a little longer for them is likely a good idea.

The Swedes are quietly having one of the worst outbreaks in the world right now, but their numbers are skewed to look better than they are because they have a population of only 10,000,000, which is like 1/4 the size of California alone. Right now, t hey currently have the 6th most deaths per million on the planet; the U.S. is 9th by that more apples to apples metric.

 

[Eeyore]

Kidney injury seen in more than a third of hospitalized COVID-19 patients: U.S. study

Over a third of patients treated for COVID-19 in a large New York medical system developed acute kidney injury, and nearly 15% required dialysis, U.S. researchers reported on Thursday.

www.reuters.com

 

[DaveXA]

Remember the much hyped Abbott Labs testing device? The false negative rate for this isn't inspiring confidence for viable rapid testing.

False Negatives Raise More Questions About Virus Test Accuracy

New research is raising more questions about tests used around the U.S. to diagnose Covid-19 patients, with some of the tests producing a surprisingly high rate of false negatives that incorrectly show a person isn’t infected.

www.bloomberg.com

"When patients were tested immediately after infection, typically before symptoms occur, the false-negative rate was 100%. On the first day of symptoms, the false-negative rate was 38%. After three days of symptoms, false-negatives dropped to 20%. The rate began getting worse after five days, suggesting a narrow window for the most accurate results."

I've been wondering about testing accuracy and this here tells me at this point that it's still a bit of a guessing game with the timing and testing. I just hope an antibody test gets better results because I'd really like to definitively know whether I had previously been infected or not.

 

[FootballLady]

Regarding restaurants and such: Wouldn't you think food trucks would be more popular now? Maybe there are restrictive laws here in West St. Tammany, but I would think food trucks would be able to flourish in this gradual re-opening.

This story from Ohio makes sense to me--

Food trucks businesses booming during COVID-19

As restaurants adapt to carryout only, food truck owners, who specialize in "to-go" are reporting business is thriving despite COVID-19.

www.13abc.com

Some cities, like Oakland, aren't allowing them at all for the time being. But as the country gradually re-opens, food trucks seem a good investment.

 

[Dago]

Sounds like you are talking about raising taxes in general and not specifically about a response to this pandemic. Everything I said was directly related to emergency economic relief during the pandemic.

The pandemic is like a house on fire. You don't ask fireman to account for every expense they want to incur before allowing them to fight the fire to save the house. If you do, then the house is going to burn down.

We hold governments accountable through elections. If we don't spend another dollar to help both employees and employers get through the pandemic until after the Nov election. the house will have already burned down.

I can understand that

 

[St. Widge]

Regarding restaurants and such: Wouldn't you think food trucks would be more popular now? Maybe there are restrictive laws here in West St. Tammany, but I would think food trucks would be able to flourish in this gradual re-opening.

This story from Ohio makes sense to me--

Food trucks businesses booming during COVID-19

As restaurants adapt to carryout only, food truck owners, who specialize in "to-go" are reporting business is thriving despite COVID-19.

www.13abc.com

Some cities, like Oakland, aren't allowing them at all for the time being. But as the country gradually re-opens, food trucks seem a good investment.

They might except the workers in the trucks are forced to be very close together and people tend to cluster around them waiting for orders. It they took orders by app or phone only and then had people pick them up at a certain time, it might work, but at least around lunch time downtown (before the COVID epidemic), it would get really crowded.

Which reminds me that I am not really looking forward to how many people will be crowded into downtown New Orleans come Monday.

 

[FootballLady]

They might except the workers in the trucks are forced to be very close together and people tend to cluster around them waiting for orders. It they took orders by app or phone only and then had people picked them up at a certain time, it might work, but at least around lunch time downtown (before the COVID epidemic), it would get really crowded.

Which reminds me that I am not really looking forward to how many people will be crowded into downtown New Orleans come Monday.

Like all things, it's about expecting people to think ahead or about others, I guess.