Current Saints 53 man roster after cuts (2 Viewers)

[webster]

Again, Taysom has not run this offense as a QB. People are freaking out that Rattler might not get enough reps in the system as the #3 QB. And, there is concern that Carr doesn't have enough time in the new system to run it, but somehow Taysom can suddenly start or complete a game at QB in the new system without taking reps in the new system in
Risking losing one of these two promising young QBs on waivers just doesn't make sense. You likely don't have two Joe Montana's but it's possible you could have one and you don't really know which one at this point. My money would be on Rattler to be better but Haener has ability. Even if his ceiling is solid backup QB at a low cost, that is worth more than roster spot #52 or #53 that are likely to churn for the entire season.

Again, Taysom has not run this offense as a QB. People are freaking out that Rattler might not get enough reps in the system as the #3 QB. And, there is concern that Carr doesn't have enough time in the new system to run it, but somehow Taysom can suddenly start or complete a game at QB in the new system without taking reps in the new system in camp?

Risking losing one of these two promising young QBs on waivers just doesn't make sense. You likely don't have two Joe Montana's but it's possible you could have one and you don't really know which one at this point. My money would be on Rattler to be better but Haener has ability. Even if his ceiling is solid backup QB at a low cost, that is worth more than roster spot #52 or #53 that are likely to churn for the entire season.

Taysom has likely forgotten more than either of the young qbs have learned. Plus if the coaches can’t distinguish a clear winner between these two young qbs it’s very likely neither are worth protecting. It’s doubtful any team will poach them. Did you watch the preseason games? Many young qbs shined. The Saints aren’t known for having boat loads of qb talent on their roster. We have to agree to disagree on this point.

 

[Artifactual]

Under the fairly new NFL rules, Rattler or Haener could be designated the emergency QB on game day without being active for that game. They just have to be on the 53 man roster.

Also, we kept 3 QBs, in addition to Taysom, on the roster last year. It's not an unusual thing to do.

This is not Factually correct.

Read the rules in the thread about the EQB3. It fully explains the rules in detail. You can find it on page one titled The Effect Of The New Rule Change Regarding The EQB3 Rule. The new rule proposed by the NFL was rejected by the NFLPA. Everything reverts back to the 2023 rules.

The reason I'm saying that your statement is incorrect is that if a team has 4 QBs on their 53-man roster, they Can Not designate one of them as the EQB3.

 

[CajunSaint08]

Current 53 man active roster after deadline cuts:

Offense: 26
Defense: 25
Specialists: 3

QB
Derek Carr
Spencer Rattler, Jake Haener

RB
Alvin Kamara
Taysom Hill
Jamaal Williams
Kene Nwangwu (KR)
Jordan Mims

FB
Adam Prentice

WR
Chris Olave
Rashid Shaheed (KR/PR)
A.T. Perry
Cedrick Wilson Jr.
Mason Tipton
Bub Means

TE
Juwan Johnson
Foster Moreau
Dallin Holker

OT
Taliese Fuaga
Trevor Penning
Oli Udoh (RT/LT/RG)
Landon Young (LT/RT/LG)

C
Erik McCoy

G
Cesar Ruiz (RG/C)
Lucas Patrick (LG/C/RG)
Nick Saldiveri (LG)

DE
Carl Granderson
Chase Young
Cam Jordan
Payton Turner
Isaiah Foskey

DT
Bryan Bresee
Nathan Shepherd
Khalen Saunders
John Ridgeway III
Khristian Boyd

LB
Demario Davis
Pete Werner
Willie Gay Jr.
Anfernee Orji
D’Marco Jackson
Jaylan Ford

CB
Marshon Lattimore
Paulson Adebo
Alontae Taylor
Kool-Aid McKinstry
Rico Payton

S
Tyrann Mathieu
Will Harris
Jordan Howden
J.T. Gray (STG)

Specialists
K Blake Grupe
P Matthew Hayball
LS Zach Wood


Injured Reserve
Kendre Miller **(designated to return)
Rejzohn Wright
Kevin Rader
Camron Peterson
Justin Herron

PUP
Tanoh Kpassagnon
Nephi Sewell
Ryan Ramczyk

So with the addition of DT John Ridgeway and KR Kene Nwangwu, who was cut or released?

 

[WxM]

So with the addition of DT John Ridgeway and KR Kene Nwangwu, who was cut or released?

Kendal Vickers and since the trade wasn't official today, the other move doesn't have to be either.

 

[SonOfNOLA]

So with the addition of DT John Ridgeway and KR Kene Nwangwu, who was cut or released?

DT Kendal Vickers was released from the 53 to make room for Kene Nwangwu off of waivers today. We’ll find out the corresponding move for John Ridgeway when his trade becomes official on the league transaction wire tomorrow.

 

[CajunSaint08]

Kendal Vickers and since the trade wasn't official today, the other move doesn't have to be either.

From the 53 man roster? I'm confused. Didn't see Kendal Vickers on the original 53 man roster.

 

[WxM]

From the 53 man roster? I'm confused. Didn't see Kendal Vickers on the original 53 man roster.

He was on it, but already cut and put on the PS

 

[St. Widge]

This is not Factually correct.

Read the rules in the thread about the EQB3. It fully explains the rules in detail. You can find it on page one titled The Effect Of The New Rule Change Regarding The EQB3 Rule. The new rule proposed by the NFL was rejected by the NFLPA. Everything reverts back to the 2023 rules.

The reason I'm saying that your statement is incorrect is that if a team has 4 QBs on their 53-man roster, they Can Not designate one of them as the EQB3.

I did read the rule and I think you are misreading the rule. The rule allows you to name a guy on your 53 as the emergency QB if he is a bonified QB even if he is not one the guys you name on your game day active list. That means if you keep Haener and Rattler on the 53 whichever one is not listed as active can be listed as the emergency QB and play if the other two are injured.

Last year, you could call up an emergency QB from the practice squad. But because they rejected the rule for this year, you can't do that anymore unless you elevate him and make him active. And you can only do that 2 or 3 times.

But, it's not outside the realm of possibility that I'm the one misreading it so, here is a link to how the rule works:

https://www.nfl.com/news/nflpa-vetoes-emergency-third-qb-rule-change#:~:text=The rule reverts to the,activated three times per season.

 

[St. Widge]

Taysom has likely forgotten more than either of the young qbs have learned. Plus if the coaches can’t distinguish a clear winner between these two young qbs it’s very likely neither are worth protecting. It’s doubtful any team will poach them. Did you watch the preseason games? Many young qbs shined. The Saints aren’t known for having boat loads of qb talent on their roster. We have to agree to disagree on this point.

We will have to agree to disagree. While Taysom has more QB experience, he has next to no experience in this system which is totally different than the Payton system and relies on things like footwork and timing that Taysom has had zero time to work on.

And yes I did watch preseason while some teams do have good young talent, all it takes is one team that doesn't have a young developmental QB to decide to claim a young QB that has talent.

 

[StudioSaint]

We will have to agree to disagree. While Taysom has more QB experience, he has next to no experience in this system which is totally different than the Payton system and relies on things like footwork and timing that Taysom has had zero time to work on.

And yes I did watch preseason while some teams do have good young talent, all it takes is one team that doesn't have a young developmental QB to decide to claim a young QB that has talent.

A significant portion of training camp practice is closed to the public and know one outside of the team knows who did what in those practices. Taysom may have gotten some QB snaps during that time or he might not have. None of us here know one way or the other.

Everyone is aware of how athletically talented Hill is, but it seems a lot of people overlook that every coach that has worked with Hill says he's an extremely fast learner. That's why they can spread him across so many positions and skills, because he learns faster than most players. Hill wouldn't need a lot of QB reps in the new system to have enough of grasp of it to run it effectively in an emergency situation.

NFL starting QB experience in any system is valuable and beneficial experience for a QB, even when switching to a different system. Haener and Rattler have more system specific reps than Hill does, but neither of them have that very valuable and beneficial NFL starting QB experience. I'm not saying anything about what might happen in the future, I'm just pointing out everything as it currently stands.

 

[Artifactual]

I did read the rule and I think you are misreading the rule. The rule allows you to name a guy on your 53 as the emergency QB if he is a bonified QB even if he is not one the guys you name on your game day active list. That means if you keep Haener and Rattler on the 53 whichever one is not listed as active can be listed as the emergency QB and play if the other two are injured.

Last year, you could call up an emergency QB from the practice squad. But because they rejected the rule for this year, you can't do that anymore unless you elevate him and make him active. And you can only do that 2 or 3 times.

But, it's not outside the realm of possibility that I'm the one misreading it so, here is a link to how the rule works:

https://www.nfl.com/news/nflpa-vetoes-emergency-third-qb-rule-change#:~:text=The rule reverts to the,activated three times per season.

Excerpts from the Complete Rule from NFL.Com published 9/24/23.

NFL emergency third-quarterback rule: Questions and answers​

Q: What is an Emergency Third Quarterback?

A: A club may designate a bona fide quarterback as an Inactive/Emergency Third Quarterback for a regular-season or postseason game.

The player must be listed on the Gameday Administration Report that is submitted prior to or at the 90-minute meeting, subject to the following:

The Emergency Third Quarterback must be on the club's 53-player roster; the player cannot be an elevated Practice Squad player.

The club's starting quarterback (QB1) and its backup quarterback (QB2) must also be on the club's 53-player roster.

A club must have Two Bona Fide Quarterbacks on its 47/48-player gameday active list to designate an Emergency Third Quarterback.

A club cannot designate an Emergency Third Quarterback if it has three or more bona fide quarterbacks on its 47/48-player gameday active list.

*Q: When is an Emergency Third Quarterback permitted to enter a game? *

A: An Emergency Third Quarterback is permitted to enter a game only if the club's two active quarterbacks are unable to play either by disqualification or injury, including for example, if QB1 is unable to play and QB2 is being evaluated for an injury.

Q: Are clubs allowed to play an Emergency Third Quarterback in non-traditional fashion (i.e., Wildcat formation)?

A: No. An Emergency Third Quarterback who enters a game must line up under center or in shotgun and must take the snap.

No other player may take a snap if the Emergency Third Quarterback is in the game.

Link To Full Article Below:

NFL emergency third-quarterback rule: Questions and answers

A few things to point out as highlighted above in red. (Note: Swap Rattler for Haener in example below if you want.)

1. First and Foremost. As long as Hill is listed as a QB and/or considered a "Bona Fide" QB he counts as a QB on the gameday roster.

2. Carr, Hill, and Haener active on gameday would constitute 3 Bona Fide QBs and therefore prohibit the Saints from declaring Rattler as the EQB3.

3. The Saints could list Carr QB1, Hill QB2, and declare both Haener and Rattler inactive on gameday, with one of the two designated as the EQB3. This would mean that if Carr were to get injured, Hill would enter the game as the #2 QB and unless he were also to get injured, he would finish the game as the backup QB. The only way the EQB3 would enter the game is if both Carr and Hill were to be injured and unable to return to the field.

4. The Saints could change Hills designation as QB back to TE. They would then be able to start Carr, name one of the youngsters as QB2 on gameday and then make the other youngster inactive with a EQB3 designation. The problem with this is that if Carr were to get injured and the designated QB2 got injured prompting the EQB3 to enter the game, Hill would not be able to take any QB snaps or Wildcat type snaps for the remainder of the game. Highly unlikely, but still a point.

 

[St. Widge]

A significant portion of training camp practice is closed to the public and know one outside of the team knows who did what in those practices. Taysom may have gotten some QB snaps during that time or he might not have. None of us here know one way or the other.

Everyone is aware of how athletically talented Hill is, but it seems a lot of people overlook that every coach that has worked with Hill says he's an extremely fast learner. That's why they can spread him across so many positions and skills, because he learns faster than most players. Hill wouldn't need a lot of QB reps in the new system to have enough of grasp of it to run it effectively in an emergency situation.

NFL starting QB exeperience in any system is vauable and beneficial experience for a QB, even when switiching to a different system. Haener and Rattler have more system specific reps than Hill does, but neither of them have that very valuable and beneficial NFL starting QB experience. I'm not saying anything about what might happen in the future, I'm just pointing out everything as it currently stands.

The beat reporters were they and talked about what snaps Taysom got. He did not get regular QB snaps like Carr, Haener, and Rattler.

You can be as fast of a learner as possible but you still can't learn to play QB in a system you have not run before without getting reps in the system.

 

[Artifactual]

A significant portion of training camp practice is closed to the public and know one outside of the team knows who did what in those practices. Taysom may have gotten some QB snaps during that time or he might not have. None of us here know one way or the other.

Everyone is aware of how athletically talented Hill is, but it seems a lot of people overlook that every coach that has worked with Hill says he's an extremely fast learner. That's why they can spread him across so many positions and skills, because he learns faster than most players. Hill wouldn't need a lot of QB reps in the new system to have enough of grasp of it to run it effectively in an emergency situation.

NFL starting QB exeperience in any system is vauable and beneficial experience for a QB, even when switiching to a different system. Haener and Rattler have more system specific reps than Hill does, but neither of them have that very valuable and beneficial NFL starting QB experience. I'm not saying anything about what might happen in the future, I'm just pointing out everything as it currently stands.

I pointed this out in an earlier post on page 6 but it seems it got ignored by some without considering we don't know everything about practices closed to the media.

 

[St. Widge]

Excerpts from the Complete Rule from NFL.Com published 9/24/23.

NFL emergency third-quarterback rule: Questions and answers​

Q: What is an Emergency Third Quarterback?

A: A club may designate a bona fide quarterback as an Inactive/Emergency Third Quarterback for a regular-season or postseason game.

The player must be listed on the Gameday Administration Report that is submitted prior to or at the 90-minute meeting, subject to the following:

The Emergency Third Quarterback must be on the club's 53-player roster; the player cannot be an elevated Practice Squad player.

The club's starting quarterback (QB1) and its backup quarterback (QB2) must also be on the club's 53-player roster.

A club must have Two Bona Fide Quarterbacks on its 47/48-player gameday active list to designate an Emergency Third Quarterback.

A club cannot designate an Emergency Third Quarterback if it has three or more bona fide quarterbacks on its 47/48-player gameday active list.

*Q: When is an Emergency Third Quarterback permitted to enter a game? *

A: An Emergency Third Quarterback is permitted to enter a game only if the club's two active quarterbacks are unable to play either by disqualification or injury, including for example, if QB1 is unable to play and QB2 is being evaluated for an injury.

Q: Are clubs allowed to play an Emergency Third Quarterback in non-traditional fashion (i.e., Wildcat formation)?

A: No. An Emergency Third Quarterback who enters a game must line up under center or in shotgun and must take the snap.

No other player may take a snap if the Emergency Third Quarterback is in the game.

Link To Full Article Below:

NFL emergency third-quarterback rule: Questions and answers

A few things to point out as highlighted above in red. (Note: Swap Rattler for Haener in example below if you want.)

1. First and Foremost. As long as Hill is listed as a QB and/or considered a "Bona Fide" QB he counts as a QB on the gameday roster.

2. Carr, Hill, and Haener active on gameday would constitute 3 Bona Fide QBs and therefore prohibit the Saints from declaring Rattler as the EQB3.

3. The Saints could list Carr QB1, Hill QB2, and declare both Haener and Rattler inactive on gameday, with one of the two designated as the EQB3. This would mean that if Carr were to get injured, Hill would enter the game as the #2 QB and unless he were also to get injured, he would finish the game as the backup QB. The only way the EQB3 would enter the game is if both Carr and Hill were to be injured and unable to return to the field.

4. The Saints could change Hills designation as QB back to TE. They would then be able to start Carr, name one of the youngsters as QB2 on gameday and then make the other youngster inactive with a EQB3 designation. The problem with this is that if Carr were to get injured and the designated QB2 got injured prompting the EQB3 to enter the game, Hill would not be able to take any QB snaps or Wildcat type snaps for the remainder of the game. Highly unlikely, but still a point.

This is exactly what I said the rule says. You need Carr, Rattler, and Haener on the 53 and two of them named to the active game day roster in order to designate the third one as the emergency QB.

I don't understand what you are saying or what point you are trying to make other than clinging to the hope that Taysom may one day play QB again for the Saints.

 

[StudioSaint]

The beat reporters were they and talked about what snaps Taysom got.

When I said closed to the public, that included reporters. There was a significant amount of practice that was closed to reporters as well. Reporters did not see all of the Saints' practices.