Derek Carr stayed and made sure everyone got an autograph at yesterday’s open practice (4 Viewers)

[TribuneUK]

What is crazy is he has the 22nd highest QBR under pressure in NFL history. He's thrown the 12th most TD's under pressure in NFL history but has also thrown 11th most picks under pressure in NFL history behind Manning, Brees, Brady, Big Ben, Rivers, Ryan, Montana, Warner, Romo and Cousins.

Which I know there is way more to the story than statmuse, but just using that as a basis.

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/best-qbr-under-pressure

Interesting numbers. I've just cited the things people have reported from a scouting perspective on him, so I don't doubt that these could give a different perspective

Although I suppose if you looked at everyone on a per game basis, that might remove some potential unintended bias in those numbers as regards those longer tenured QBs.

I'm not here to pump sunshine for anyone, I think he's our best option right now and hopefully for a while yet, but if more than one personnel analyst/scout says he relies on a clean pocket for success, then we have to pay heed to that.

 

[SWJJ]

Interesting numbers. I've just cited the things people have reported from a scouting perspective on him, so I don't doubt that these could give a different perspective

Although I suppose if you looked at everyone on a per game basis, that might remove some potential unintended bias in those numbers as regards those longer tenured QBs.

I'm not here to pump sunshine for anyone, I think he's our best option right now and hopefully for a while yet, but if more than one personnel analyst/scout says he relies on a clean pocket for success, then we have to pay heed to that.

That's really true for every QB tho.

The way defenses attached Brees, Manning, Brady, whomever, has always been PRESSURE.

Every QB does better with a clean pocket. Anyone trying to knock or diss Carr for that (and I know you weren't Tribune) isn't being genuine. I do not think we are ignoring it tho. O-line is one of the hardest positions to keep talent, and teams all over the league have needs there.

 

[St. Widge]

That's really true for every QB tho.

The way defenses attached Brees, Manning, Brady, whomever, has always been PRESSURE.

Every QB does better with a clean pocket. Anyone trying to knock or diss Carr for that (and I know you weren't Tribune) isn't being genuine. I do not think we are ignoring it tho. O-line is one of the hardest positions to keep talent, and teams all over the league have needs there.

I think the broader point that pressure is bad for QBs is true. But, maybe I'm remembering this wrong, but wasn't the secret to DAs success against Brady that he would not bring a bunch of pressure and instead played coverage?

I do think there are some QBs, especially the great QBs, that welcome blitzing to create pressure because it allowed them to get big plays. Brees was particularly good at it and so was Brady. But, obviously if you can get pressure with your front 4 and then play coverage behind them, it's the best of both worlds because you still have 7 guys in coverage to stop the big plays that you can get when there are holes created by brining additional pass rushers.

In the end, I think you can be a good QB and still have issues against pressure. But, the great QBs are the ones that can deal with pressure and make the defense pay.

 

[BBarnes]

Interesting numbers. I've just cited the things people have reported from a scouting perspective on him, so I don't doubt that these could give a different perspective

Although I suppose if you looked at everyone on a per game basis, that might remove some potential unintended bias in those numbers as regards those longer tenured QBs.

I'm not here to pump sunshine for anyone, I think he's our best option right now and hopefully for a while yet, but if more than one personnel analyst/scout says he relies on a clean pocket for success, then we have to pay heed to that.

I do not disagree. Was just interesting to see those numbers.

I have said to many people that in order for Carr to be successful he needs a strong offensive line, a good supporting cast, and he needs a game plan that is tailored to his strengths. It is just who he is. This is always my rebuttal when people say "we cannot win with Carr". Sure you can, much much worse QB's have had winning seasons, but it all has to be built to support them. They and Carr are not one of the QB's that can put a team on their back and carry them for most of the season.

 

[TribuneUK]

That's really true for every QB tho.

The way defenses attached Brees, Manning, Brady, whomever, has always been PRESSURE.

Every QB does better with a clean pocket. Anyone trying to knock or diss Carr for that (and I know you weren't Tribune) isn't being genuine. I do not think we are ignoring it tho. O-line is one of the hardest positions to keep talent, and teams all over the league have needs there.

I think the point is that he relies on a clean pocket more than most to be successful. I think we can't brush that under a carpet (whether unintentional or not)

 

[Saint KayBee]

I think the broader point that pressure is bad for QBs is true. But, maybe I'm remembering this wrong, but wasn't the secret to DAs success against Brady that he would not bring a bunch of pressure and instead played coverage?

I do think there are some QBs, especially the great QBs, that welcome blitzing to create pressure because it allowed them to get big plays. Brees was particularly good at it and so was Brady. But, obviously if you can get pressure with your front 4 and then play coverage behind them, it's the best of both worlds because you still have 7 guys in coverage to stop the big plays that you can get when there are holes created by brining additional pass rushers.

In the end, I think you can be a good QB and still have issues against pressure. But, the great QBs are the ones that can deal with pressure and make the defense pay.

I think the answer is somewhere in the middle - for example, the blocking schemes in the early Brees years focused on keeping the interior clean. Pass rushers off the edge were pretty much allowed to win wide, so long as the tackle sealed the rusher off before he could work his way back to Brees. The drawback was that 3-4 defenses bothered the system greatly, because the inside could by disrupted by a space-swallowing NT who would mask where the fourth rusher was coming from. It’s how a career day gets made for a David Bowens type of guy - he had a 12-year NFL career and the only detail on it is the day he had against the Saints in 2010.

Contrast that to, say, Peyton Manning, who’d short-circuit if he was blitzed too much from pretty much anywhere. Brees had a better natural sense of where to escape to, and he had better mobility than Manning to get out of the way. It’s how NE put the Colts out of the playoffs in 2004, Pittsburgh did it the following year, and most intrinsically for Saints fans, it’s how we got the Tracy Porter pick-six in XLIV.

 

[ndcc]

Carr could throw for 6000 yards 50 TD and 0 ints and there would still be Saints Fans hatin' and criticizing him. It's UNREAL to me how much undeserved hate he gets from Saints fans.

Moscona would have a pitchfork and torch, leading the charge.

 

[RaisingTheBar]

It's a hive mind thing going on with our fan base. Somebody at the top of the algorithm that says something whether it's good or bad about the player or team and people just latch on. SMH

Those are people who have no original thoughts.

 

[TenTwo]

I think if the guy is consistently letting us down in big moments, we have a legit reason to complain…but he played his best with the season on the line (minus the Rams on a short week, who’s play style and location gave them an advantage) and he generally played his best ball with his back against the wall.

Regardless of how he acts on the sideline or at the podium, on the field he played clutch.

Hard to hate that. You can, obviously, because look (at yourself possibly).

 

[DaFranchise80]

Moscona would have a pitchfork and torch, leading the charge.

Moscona = Cowherd wannabe

 

[DSnfla]

Is he really better though?

Same results, actually worse - if you ask me

Teddy B 5-0
JW 5-4

He's just perceived as better but needs more around him to be just as good because he's a percieved franchise QB. It is what it is though.

The most ridiculous thing fans do is assign a W or a L solely to a QB. I'm sorry it's just idiotic. You don't say a LB is 5-0 or a CB is 5-5 or even a RB. There are quite a few great QBs that have losing records . Or own Archie Manning for 1. Saying that a QB is awful just because of the W-L record just shows lack of knowledge of the real game

 

[DSnfla]

8-5...he didn't finish the atlanta game but that's an Interesting take on it....so we're not attributing losses where he went out while he's behind to him?

Because we had put the game out of reach you say it's not a win for DC??? That's more ridiculous than your other post SMH