Enough With the HC Hand Wringing - McCarthy Is the Best Option for the Saints (1 Viewer)

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The panic that has set in over the next HC hire is ridiculous.

Most of the HCs hired in this cycle are either tired retreads (Pete Carroll), Rizzi like "promotions" (Dallas) or coordinators who we have no idea whether they will be good HC material (Chicago). The only one hired in this cycle that would have been a no brainer was Vrabel, and he was never going anywhere besides New England. Johnson from the Lions was the "hot name" on the market this year, but there are rumors about him having a weird personality. Maybe he does great in Chicago (his QB is a weirdo too), but maybe not. There have been many boy wonder OCs hired to become HC that did not pan out (McDaniel for example).

Joe Brady is given too much credit for LSUs 2019 offense (laced with 3 future NFL HOF players - and he co-coordinated with Ensminger) and was a complete flop with average talent at Carolina. There is no evidence that he is an alpha leader - which is what we need right now. He's done a good job of coaching up an offense lead by Josh Allen. Big deal; we don't have a Josh Allen QB or anything close. Brady turning us down is more an indictment of him than the Saints (he lacks confidence and knows he is not ready for a challenge).

I think the Saints were genuinely interested in Glenn - and he is the only candidate they missed out on that I think the Saints were likely to hire out of those interviewed so far. He's more seasoned than Brady and played in the league at a high level. But it's concerning that he does not have many skins on the wall given the way his defenses have performed (not elite). I think he would have been a good choice, but by no means risk free. DA was a better and more proven DC than Glenn and we saw how that turned out. Glenn went to his NFL alma mater (the Jets) so again this is no indictment of the Saints.

Outside of Vrabel, McCarthy is the only candidate on the market (other than ancient Pete Carrol, who I don't think anyone thought would be a good fit here) whose resume' proves he can do the job of HC at a high level. Yes, he had Arron Rodgers when he won a Superbowl, but he has also made chicken salad out of chicken **** with QBs like Aaron Brooks and Dak Prescott (the most overrated and overpaid QB in the NFL outside of Watson). To win 12 games three years in a row with Dak was a miracle, while putting up with a meddling owner. I bet he can make Carr (or Rattler) look better than what we have seen out of them so far.

By no means am I saying that McCarthy is a silver bullet hire that puts the Saints in position to compete for the Superbowl. Right now the Saints badly need a coach that can right the ship and lead us back to respectability before we become labeled a perennial loser again. In the NFC South making the play offs is a realistic goal - maybe next year, but certainly in years 2, 3 and thereafter. And if the roster is as bad as many say, then let them win 4 games next year while clearing the cap and positioning to draft the next franchise QB. I trust McCarthy to evaluate QB talent more than Sean Payton who could not draft a decent prospect during his many seasons here.

If McCarthy (who is unemployed, is no longer being paid by Dallas -his contract expired, he was not fired- and with no other HC options this cycle) turns the Saints down then let the panic begin. But unless and until that happens enough with the panic and disparagement of the team.
 
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Looks like we'll be scraping the bottom of the barrel.
How is a HC (who was not fired, just not extended on the terms he wanted) who has a better win/loss record than Sean Payton "bottom of the barrel"?

If the Saints interview McCarthy and prefer to hire a different candidate (Kellen Moore) in the hopes of finding a new gem then that's fine - but I think they are taking a risk. It may or may not be the right move (hindsight is always 20/20). But to me the best indicator of can do is has done, and McCarthy has been a high level HC and OC for his entire career.

Let's see what happens, but I suspect the hire will be McCarthy and that it will turn out to be a pretty good decision relative to the other hires that were available this cycle.
 
This is where I’m at. 2025 is GOING to be a painful, yet necessary, season. Next year, I have less than zero expectations. I’m all in to do whatever it takes to begin the new era in 2026. Purge the roster, eat money, stockpile picks.

So why hire anyone with an eye on 2026?

Hire Rizzi. 1) An interim turned permanent has a shorter leash 2) Rizzi is wholly unproven as a HC. He managed a situation last year more than he was a hc. 3) I do not think Rizzi is long term HC material, but on the off chance he shows promise, you keep him. Otherwise he can be a 1 and done. A prove it season. For lack of a better term, let Rizzi be the bullet sponge for 2025.

Then we get picks, we reign in the cap, get younger, and probably have a top 5-8 pick. Start the coaching search over next year with a new GM.
 
How is a HC (who was not fired, just not extended on the terms he wanted) who has a better win/loss record than Sean Payton "bottom of the barrel"?

If the Saints interview McCarthy and prefer to hire a different candidate (Kellen Moore) in the hopes of finding a new gem then that's fine - but I think they are taking a risk. It may or may not be the right move (hindsight is always 20/20). But to me the best indicator of can do is has done, and McCarthy has been a high level HC and OC for his entire career.

Let's see what happens, but I suspect the hire will be McCarthy and that it will turn out to be a pretty good decision relative to the other hires that were available this cycle.
People simply don't want him because he's "old" and a "re-tread". There's a certain contengent of fans that are dead-set on us hiring a young, offendive-minded coach.

Im not sure we are in a position to hire another experiment. This organization needs some stabilization right now. We need a coach who can come in and manage a roster better than what is has been the past few years, as well as bring back some grit and physicality.
 
The hire Rizzi and tank if he bombs is where I think the Saints will go if McCarthy turns them down and if remaining top targets (Kellen Moore?) say no thanks as well.

If that happens, then I think it would be a clear signal to ownership that a complete reset (including GM) is required; and I agree that canning Rizzi after 1 terrible season is certainly a possibility (2-15 or 3-14)? But if he goes 7 and 9 do you think this ownership would fire him? Probably not.

I still think McCarthy is a good fit and if he's interested then this is the way to become a winning team with the least pain for the fan base. We won't be a Superbowl contender until we land an elite QB - but that is true for most NFL teams; and there is no way to know when that happens. Picking top of the draft is no guarantee - but top QBs can be had is rounds 2 and later- it's just finding the right one at the right time. Again, I trust McCarthy to pick a QB if there is a good one to be had (at whatever point in the draft or in FA).
 
How is a HC (who was not fired, just not extended on the terms he wanted) who has a better win/loss record than Sean Payton "bottom of the barrel"?

If the Saints interview McCarthy and prefer to hire a different candidate (Kellen Moore) in the hopes of finding a new gem then that's fine - but I think they are taking a risk. It may or may not be the right move (hindsight is always 20/20). But to me the best indicator of can do is has done, and McCarthy has been a high level HC and OC for his entire career.

Let's see what happens, but I suspect the hire will be McCarthy and that it will turn out to be a pretty good decision relative to the other hires that were available this cycle.
Not calling McCarthy in particular bottom of the barrel.
What I'm trying to say is that it looks (from the outside looking in) as though the Saints HC position isn't the most desirable situation for HC candidates at this time.
I actually agree on the point that McCarthy is probably our best option.
 
Not calling McCarthy in particular bottom of the barrel.
What I'm trying to say is that it looks (from the outside looking in) as though the Saints HC position isn't the most desirable situation for HC candidates at this time.
I actually agree on the point that McCarthy is probably our best option.
 
McCarthy has been a good coach, but hasn't ever had to coach a team without a good QB or developed one that was eventually great. I don't know that I want to have that be our near term future.
 
Everywhere MM has gone, hes had a ready made team for him. That won't be the case here, so it may not work out like we think it will. Im not entirely ruling out Moore either. But still can't shake this naggy feeling that it'll Rizzi.
 
I also don't see the point about the Saints were not "the most desirable."

There were 6 openings this cycle. Do you think the Saints were interested in Pete (West Coast 74 year old) Carroll? How about Brian Schottenheimer? No and No. Vrabel - Patriots were the only option. Don't you think the fact that the Raiders and the Cowboys hired who they did says something about the desirability of those teams? No other team wanted Pete Carroll or Brian Schottenheimer. Yet were supposed to think the Saints are "worse jobs" than those 2 teams? Including Dallas who is saddled with a massive contract for a mediocre and often injured QB (thanks to their ridiculous owner)? Dak's contract makes Carr's contract look like a bargain, and we can get rid Carr this year or next if we want to. Dallas is stuck with Dak.

Add in Glenn and his alma mater hire by the Jets (we are not second fiddle to that fire bombed organization with no QB and a nutty meddlesome owner that has not won anything in decades). Glenn chose that job for personal reasons; but with no QB and a meddling owner that job is not objectively better than the Saints HC job.

So we did not get 2 OCs (Johnson in Chicago) or Cohen the Bucs OC who is being hired by the Jags - 2 unprovens with no HC experience) and we are supposed to be down in the dumps when a SB winning HC with similar credentials to Sean Payton is still in play?

If Sean Payton came back tomorrow fans here would act like it was the second coming. But he is every bit the retread that McCarthy is. Sean won't get over the hump in Denver (because he's in the AFC West) but has made their team relevant again. A similar outcome for McCarthy in the NFC South will get you a few NFC South titles, playoff appearances and would end the stagnant offense boring football that has taken hold for several years (even the final years of Payton) Again, I don't understand the victim mentality here.
 

Not sure McCarthy is the answer. Irvin said the team has no discipline, no curfew and didn't even hold the normal Saturday meetings before the game which is key in preparation.
 
I do belive it's time for the organization to make a decision so the new HC can get their staff ready for the draft. It may not be who we personally want but it needs to get done sooner than later
 

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