Article Exploring How the Saints Could Trade Up for Cam Ward

[Saintstigerking]

Since the speculation started, I think about what it would cost the Saints to move up and select Miami's Cam Ward with the top pick. Here's what I came up with. Enjoy!!

Exploring Saints Trade-Up Scenarios for Top Pick Cam Ward

It’s always interesting to see how stories can start a life of their own based on what has been said by certain people, especially regarding the New Orleans Saints. Last Monday, former Miami Hurricanes quarterback Cam Ward received the Manning Award, which is presented in the city of New...

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Disclaimer: This is pure speculation by me; I give it a 30% chance of happening.

There’s zero speculation on this.

 

[DerrickB]

There’s zero speculation on this.

Is it? Ok

 

[3ParStillDriver]

I'm all for it if Moore fully believes that's his guy and our franchise QB for the next decade+. I would be a bit disappointed however if he didn't end up being, say a top 8 QB much more consistently then not.

I like his character though. He'll be easy to root for. But I also will always dream of a "Nuss and Moore Nuss" trifecta. (I should TM that)

 

[texasjefe]

Need a comparison of how many QB's, drafted in the top 10 during that same time period, that never got close to winning a Super Bowl to get any meaningful statistical comparison.

Also, need a comparison of how many Super Bowls during that period, 1967 to 1989, were won by QB's drafted in the top 10 and QB's not drafted in the top 10. That's the only way to get any meaningful statistical comparison. Can't just look at the Super Bowls won by top 10 drafted QB's. That's not meaningful data without a comparison.

Did you not see the request form? The poster only wanted the draft spots of the QB's I listed.

If you want to cast a wider net, add categories and variables, and do a macro-comp, then good news, AI can probably help you.

Otherwise, I charge $199.99/hr for historical football research. I take venmo, krugerrands, and prison cigarettes.

 

[LetsGetWaffles]

Giving up that much capitol for a QB that would likely be at absolute best QB2 off the board just about any other year seems a bit crazy to me. Ward isn't a generational talent at QB. Not by a long shot. Next year alone will likely have 3 or 4 QB's in the draft better than him. It would be far more beneficial just to trade away #9 for ammo in next year's draft and take a QB in 2026 draft then to give up a kings ransom for a QB who may not even be among the 4 best next year.

No body thought Mahommes was either… until he was… after being picked at #10. Any fan pretending they can tell which QB will be good in the NFL or not is delusional. If Moore thinks Ward is him and thinks the compensation is worth it, I have no problem with the trade.

I’d actually like it more if Carr started all 2025 giving Ward a chance to learn. It’s a travesty how so many promising young QBs are just flat out abused by being thrust into the starting role before they’re ready. Give me a situation like Love or Rodgers in GB any day of the week over forcing a young QB to cut his teeth in year one.

 

[St. Geezy]

How many Super Bowls were won with a QB your describing? I can think of Dilfer with Ravens... Eagles redhead from North Dakota forgot his name but he was drafted in the top 10 won a super bowl then disappeared from the league...
Your right it can be done with a QB that is good enough to contribute to a Super Bowl win.... Sounds like you don't want a Franchise QB your happy with mediocre

You’re thinking about Carson Wentz. He didn’t win the Super Bowl though, Nick Foles did.

Wentz was having a MVP caliber season but got hurt towards the end of the year and was never the same.

 

[StudioSaint]

Did you not see the request form? The poster only wanted the draft spots of the QB's I listed.

If you want to cast a wider net, add categories and variables, and do a macro-comp, then good news, AI can probably help you.

Otherwise, I charge $199.99/hr for historical football research. I take venmo, krugerrands, and prison cigarettes.

Cute, but irrelevant to what I said. Publicly available AI's suck at collecting and compiling factual data in an accurate way. Anyone relying on one is making a mistake.

I did not ask you to do the research, I said that the information provided by you was meaningless on it's own. The fact that you were responding to someone else's "request form" does not change that fact.

Like I said, cute response, but irrelevant to what I said.

 

[StudioSaint]

How many Super Bowls were won with a QB your describing? I can think of Dilfer with Ravens... Eagles redhead from North Dakota forgot his name but he was drafted in the top 10 won a super bowl then disappeared from the league...
Your right it can be done with a QB that is good enough to contribute to a Super Bowl win....

Close to half of the Super Bowl winning teams had a QB that was drafted outside of the top 10 picks in the draft.

Sounds like you don't want a Franchise QB your happy with mediocre

This is such a bogus comment and it's a bogus comment every time anyone makes a similar comment.

 

[StudioSaint]

Picking a player in the top 10 that doesn’t belong there won’t turn them into a top 10 talent. I believe that Ward is good enough to be drafted #1 overall, and apparently I’m not alone. It’s not without risk…but the success from that draft slot has been relatively high

Not when someone trades up into the number 1 pick. It's just a correlation and not causation, but that's true for all draft history statistics.

My guess at the causes for the lack of team success after trading up to #1 pick for a QB are, in no particular order:

1. The loss of potential players as a result of draft picks given away in the trade takes a toll on the team that offsets any advantage gained by having the #1 pick.
2. Teams only trade away the 1st pick when they don't think any QB is worth the #1 pick and/or they already have an elite QB, not just a good one but an elite one..
3. Teams that are willing to trade away what is necessary to trade up are bad at building teams and no QB is good enough to overcome that.

 

[sammymvpknight]

Not when someone trades up into the number 1 pick. It's just a correlation and not causation, but that's true for all draft history statistics.

My guess at the causes for the lack of team success after trading up to #1 pick for a QB are, in no particular order:

1. The loss of potential players as a result of draft picks given away in the trade takes a toll on the team that offsets any advantage gained by having the #1 pick.
2. Teams only trade away the 1st pick when they don't think any QB is worth the #1 pick and/or they already have an elite QB, not just a good one but an elite one..
3. Teams that are willing to trade away what is necessary to trade up are bad at building teams and no QB is good enough to overcome that.

Or it’s the sample size and the relatively low hit rate for ANY prospect. I see what you’re saying but I think that you’re painting with way too broad of a brush. I personally think it’ll be a moot point because the Titans are drafting Ward

 

[StudioSaint]

Or it’s the sample size and the relatively low hit rate for ANY prospect. I see what you’re saying but I think that you’re painting with way too broad of a brush. I personally think it’ll be a moot point because the Titans are drafting Ward

Everyone paints with a broad brush anytime they talk about draft success probability based on historical data. All of that data is just correlation, none of it actually points to causation which is a more important factor in determining probability of outcome.

I think the most important factor to drafting a good QB is being good at drafting and coaching. I don't think were a QB is picked is nearly as important as those two factors. I'm talking about drafting QB's early 2nd round or before. I'm not talking about late 2nd or after.

Rarely is the top rated QB so much better than the rest of the 1st round graded QB's that there's a net value gain in trading multiple picks to get the #1 versus getting one of the other 1st round graded QB's. Occassinally one QB is that much better than the others. Only time will tell if Ward will turn out to have been that QB in this draft.

 

[blackjack]

Without reading all nine pages of this, best way to do it would be to try to get to pick 5 or 6 first. Titans might not want to drop down that far, then try to get a deal done from there to 1.

Realistically it’s not going to be doable unless Tennessee is posturing like they’re intent on picking him. With the Giants probably out of it now their main competition would be Cleveland, because all the teams picking from 3 down to 8 aren’t picking a QB now.

Do we have the ammo to do that? I don’t think so, but I could be wrong. If the price is too high to get from 9 to 1 and they can’t get creative with another team to move closer then they need to stay put.

 

[DCJohnson104]

I think the NYG signing Wilson shows that they believe Ward and Saunders will be off the board with picks 1 & 2. I don’t think they believe a trade is open for those picks or they would have moved up a spot or two to get a QB.

 

[Treybad]

Close to half of the Super Bowl winning teams had a QB that was drafted outside of the top 10 picks in the draft.


This is such a bogus comment and it's a bogus comment every time anyone makes a similar comment.

Guess I should have said.... we have tried your method since Brees retired time to try something else.... doesn't have to be this year can be next year or the next....