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All I know is Max's win in the final race was a fluke. Not his fault. He did what he was supposed to. But without the late incident between 2 non-competitive cars, Lewis wins the race easily. It was a stupid way to finish a race. Maybe I'm spoiled by Nascar. It is what it is I guess.
 
DJ1BigTymer said:
Disagree with all of that.



So, you're saying that their 1 pit strategy was wrong??? In a typical F1 race, that's the preferred strategy, the only reason to alter that is because you're behind. As for Mercedes decision on the late safety car, they had NO choice in the matter, meaning that they were damned if they do, dammed if they don't. Had they pitted, both Red Bull cars would have stayed out and Hamilton would have finished 3rd.

As I said earlier, the problem with F1's rules is that they are not consistent. IMO, the wave around of the lapped cars in that situation was completely unfair to Lewis seeing how he had an 11 second lead over Max at the time of the crash. That lead was built due to Red Bull's failed pit strategy and they were bailed out by a single car incident, somebody needs to check Latifi's bank account. /jk


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If Masi really wanted to have real finish to that race, then instead of the safety car, he should have stopped the race at the moment it was clear that the would need a caution and started them again from a rolling start. That way all cars would have had the chance to change tires and they would have had more than the 1 lap to claim the race.
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And I'd like to add that there's no guarantee that if Hamilton pitted and Max stayed out, that Masi would've allowed the race to go green again, possibly letting Max win under the safety car....there goes those inconsistent rules again.
 
BayouSAINTJoe said:
And I'd like to add that there's no guarantee that if Hamilton pitted and Max stayed out, that Masi would've allowed the race to go green again, possibly letting Max win under the safety car....there goes those inconsistent rules again.
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Correct. It's just a bit too arbitrary imo.
 
DJ1BigTymer said:
Disagree with all of that.
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No you don't.

DJ1BigTymer said:
So, you're saying that their 1 pit strategy was wrong???
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1. Hamilton was faster on his mediums than Max was on softs. It was a mistake to pit for hards opposite max instead of building a gap on the mediums.
2. Their pit strategy cost them the race.

So yes, their pit strategy was wrong.


DJ1BigTymer said:
IMO, the wave around of the lapped cars in that situation was completely unfair to Lewis seeing how he had an 11 second lead over Max at the time of the crash.
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And yet, letting lapped cars through on a yellow is completely normal for F1. Alonso was calling for this 2 laps before it happened. Fair is irrelevant.

DJ1BigTymer said:
If Masi really wanted to have real finish to that race, then instead of the safety car, he should have stopped the race at the moment it was clear that the would need a caution and started them again from a rolling start. That way all cars would have had the chance to change tires and they would have had more than the 1 lap to claim the race.
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Right - so we do agree and you didn't even read my post. I guess that's why I've left the site.
 
TheDeparted said:
No you don't.


1. Hamilton was faster on his mediums than Max was on softs. It was a mistake to pit for hards opposite max instead of building a gap on the mediums.
2. Their pit strategy cost them the race.

So yes, their pit strategy was wrong.



And yet, letting lapped cars through on a yellow is completely normal for F1. Alonso was calling for this 2 laps before it happened. Fair is irrelevant.


Right - so we do agree and you didn't even read my post. I guess that's why I've left the site.
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TheDeparted said:
No you don't.


1. Hamilton was faster on his mediums than Max was on softs. It was a mistake to pit for hards opposite max instead of building a gap on the mediums.
2. Their pit strategy cost them the race.

So yes, their pit strategy was wrong.



And yet, letting lapped cars through on a yellow is completely normal for F1. Alonso was calling for this 2 laps before it happened. Fair is irrelevant.


Right - so we do agree and you didn't even read my post. I guess that's why I've left the site.
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The only reason Max started on softs is because he jacked up qualifying and he was stuck with them. Hamilton was faster, no mater the tire compound he was running, his fastest laps were on the (H) tires and there's no way he would have had any chance on finishing the race on (M). Hamilton was leading the race by almost 12 SECONDS when the crash happened, had that wreck not happen Lewis wins easily.

Max had to make his 1st stop early for (H) because the (S) were beyond done, I think Lewis pitted couple of laps later for (H) tires as well. From there, we had quite possibly some of the best racing between Red Bull & Mercedes and that was thanks to Perez & Hamilton. When that was over, Max was able to close within 2 secs of Lewis but within a few laps, Lewis had checked out on him AGAIN. Mind you, both were Hard Tires at the time.

As for lapped cars being waved by in F1 being normal, well sometimes they do or they don't and this time they did, but what a caveat. When they wave through lapped cars they usually wave them all and allow them to form up for the start, that didn't happen! On lap 57 of 58, they wave through only the cars between P1 & P2 near the closing segment of the pace lap and then the race went green. Remember, the field was behind the safety car for TWO WHOLE LAPS, they could have wave them through immediately, but instead it took massive lobbying from Red Bull to make it happen. Lame.
 
DJ1BigTymer said:
The only reason Max started on softs is because he jacked up qualifying and he was stuck with them. Hamilton was faster, no mater the tire compound he was running, his fastest laps were on the (H) tires and there's no way he would have had any chance on finishing the race on (M). Hamilton was leading the race by almost 12 SECONDS when the crash happened, had that wreck not happen Lewis wins easily.

Max had to make his 1st stop early for (H) because the (S) were beyond done, I think Lewis pitted couple of laps later for (H) tires as well. From there, we had quite possibly some of the best racing between Red Bull & Mercedes and that was thanks to Perez & Hamilton. When that was over, Max was able to close within 2 secs of Lewis but within a few laps, Lewis had checked out on him AGAIN. Mind you, both were Hard Tires at the time.

As for lapped cars being waved by in F1 being normal, well sometimes they do or they don't and this time they did, but what a caveat. When they wave through lapped cars they usually wave them all and allow them to form up for the start, that didn't happen! On lap 57 of 58, they wave through only the cars between P1 & P2 near the closing segment of the pace lap and then the race went green. Remember, the field was behind the safety car for TWO WHOLE LAPS, they could have wave them through immediately, but instead it took massive lobbying from Red Bull to make it happen. Lame.
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Agree as to the race strategy part - Lewis had more pace, on any equal tire, so Mercedes strategy to simply stay in phase with Max was sound - especially because they had track position. The only way Lewis loses the race is if Max somehow ends up on fresh softs just behind Lewis on old tires, but the odds of that were extremely low. They just happened to come up based on how the final laps played out.
 
superchuck500 said:
Agree as to the race strategy part - Lewis had more pace, on any equal tire, so Mercedes strategy to simply stay in phase with Max was sound - especially because they had track position. The only way Lewis loses the race is if Max somehow ends up on fresh softs just behind Lewis on old tires, but the odds of that were extremely low. They just happened to come up based on how the final laps played out.
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The thing that gets me is it was due to two irrelevant cars on the track. If it were a battle between a couple of top 10 cars, that would be a bit more understandable, but 2 bottom 5 cars? Meh.
 
DaveXA said:
The thing that gets me is it was due to two irrelevant cars on the track. If it were a battle between a couple of top 10 cars, that would be a bit more understandable, but 2 bottom 5 cars? Meh.
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The Latifi incident? As long as the race is green, they get to race same as everyone else.
 

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