Fox Sports' John Czarnecki: Brees overestimating his worth (1 Viewer)

[NOFALCONS10]

Drew is a great qb but wouldn't throw for 5,000 anywhere else except detroit.

I'm the first one to talk up payton's contribution to making drew what he is today but eli manning and ben rothlesburger could sniff Drew's Jock strap. there isn't a single qb other than Tom brady that i would trade drew for in this league. only because of brady's superior turnover rate but not because of Drew's lack of height. Like i always point out, that completion percentage record has a lot to do with the great receivers that Drew has to dump short passes off to at Running back to pad that stat. But completion percentage aside i think that Drew and AAron rodgers are tied for second place to Brady.

Drew kicked brady's and Peyton's butts even when he was a charger and i don't think that eli has ever beaten drew.

Having said all of that, Drew is not worth more than $16 million because of the weapons that we have surrounded him with.

 

[Mr_Chairman]

I wonder how many QBs on his list (outside of the Mannings) would visit New Orleans in 2006. This guy agreed to come in and be a part of a rebuilding of a region. I think he's gone above and beyond the call of duty and he deserves an attaboy in front of his peers.

Pay the man.

 

[Infamous504]

he had some good points until he got to this line...

"Heck, Ben Roethlisberger, Rodgers and Eli Manning are better quarterbacks than Brees because they can play in any NFL system."

I guess Drew making the pro bowl with a run first San Diego team doesn't count?

 

[TylerDurden]

Article was pure garbage. Thought about emailing the numbskull writer, but decided not to waste my time. He basically thinks Brees is nothing outside of Payton's offense. Just a system QB. Then does not mention anything about how Cassell was good in Pats offensive system, or how Flynn looked great in GB. Hell, McCarthy's offensive system made Aaron Brooks look like a good QB. Goes on to say the only thing Brees could beat Marino at is a foot race. I think Brees reads defenses as well as Marino or any other QB playing and his accuracy is also right there with Marino and at the top of the league todya, along with Brady and Manning.

 

[FuzzyDunlop]

I wonder how many QBs on his list (outside of the Mannings) would visit New Orleans in 2006. This guy agreed to come in and be a part of a rebuilding of a region. I think he's gone above and beyond the call of duty and he deserves an attaboy in front of his peers.

Pay the man.

There wasn't exactly a long list of teams lining up for his services, and I'm pretty sure New Orleans wasn't his first choice.

I agree pay the man, but lets not be rewrite history.

 

[sammymvpknight]

You don't shatter the passing records of Dan Marino by being a short talentless QB that is in a good system. Would Brees demand as much as Brady & Manning on the free market? Absolutely. He is at least two years younger than both of them...and his only significant injury allowed Dr. Andrews to turn his right arm into a rocket launcher.

Now will Brees get as much as Rodgers? No way...Rodgers is going to bank. He is going to be a stud for another 10 years.

 

[krushing]

If the two sides would give a little and quit being so stubborn, garbage like this would never surface in the first place.

 

[AARPSaint]

So, if Brees is a system QB, he must have many pro-bowl wide receivers, right? /sarcasm

I'd love to see Brees in a real game with Steve Smith, Calvin Johnson, and Andre Johnson as the WRs (or substitute any prow-bowl receiver of your choice) plus. let's say, Jimmy Graham and Tony Gonzales. Can you imagine?

And that's saying nothing against Henderson, Colston, Moore, etc. Brees and the WRs make each other great.

 

[sammymvpknight]

So, if Brees is a system QB, he must have many pro-bowl wide receivers, right? /sarcasm

I'd love to see Brees in a real game with Steve Smith, Calvin Johnson, and Andre Johnson as the WRs (or substitute any prow-bowl receiver of your choice) plus. let's say, Jimmy Graham and Tony Gonzales. Can you imagine?

And that's saying nothing against Henderson, Colston, Moore, etc. Brees and the WRs make each other great.

I'm going to have to disagree with you a little. I think that you are downplaying the talent on the offense. Graham is the 2nd best receiving TE in the game...and may turn into the greatest ever. Colston may not have made a pro bowl...but the guy is a stud and in many people's opinion (including my own) the greatest WR to ever put on a Saints uni. Moore and Henderson are both solid receivers...and Meachem was one of the best deep threats in the game. That does not even include Sproles and PT out of the backfield. If Daniels was QB I think that he would put up more than 3500 yards. Granted...he isn't anywhere close to the level that Brees is...but part of the reason why Brees is great is the talent around him and a brilliant offensive playcaller. Don't get me wrong...Brees is easily a top 5 QB...but the offense has plenty of talent around him.

 

[St. Guinness]

Two items make me believe this article is completely hypocritical and garbage. "Drew Brees is a product of the system he wouldn't be good elsewhere compared to these other QBs" (paraphrasing). Really?!

1. Of the names mentioned: Peyton, Eli, Tom, Ben, and Aaron, Drew is the only one to EVER play for another team in the NFL. Peyton might be a complete flop. Unlikely, but just as likely he might only be medicore. None of those other guys have proved they have what it takes to win on other teams. Drew has, in a completely different style system.

2. To add to that, not only has Drew won on another NFL team, he played well enough to make the Pro Bowl. Sure it may not have been at his current elite level, but that's still top 8 abilitly.


Simply put, the writer dislikes Drew because he is not the prototypical QB and because he broke the writer's favorite QBs' records. Therefore he will make up implausible (and poorly researched) situations to prove Drew really is inferior.

 

[Bartyboy]

Ok read the whole thread. If you did not watch the YouTube sport science then you are missing a huge point. Drew hit the bulls eye from 20 yards 10 out of 10 times. Not only that he hit the exact center of the bulls eye on 7 of 10. All throws came off his hand at 57 degrees at the same speed and revolutions per second. How many QBs can do that? If you can find the QB competition from the pro bowl from his days in SD he smoked the competition including P Manning. It consisted of how many throws from different distances can you throw through a tire sized hole in 1 minute. So accuracy at multiple distances and set up and release time. He won by a huge margin. If you include his great foot work and mental side there is no way you can make an argument he is not one of the best. Wait 5 more years when Manning is retired and Drew is still strong. He will be holding so many all time carrier records and closing in on more.
Stupid stupid article.

 

[demented]

No amount of accuracy can fix his glaring weakness. Be can't throw where he cant see. The entire middleof the field disappears when he's pressured.

 

[AARPSaint]

I'm going to have to disagree with you a little. I think that you are downplaying the talent on the offense. Graham is the 2nd best receiving TE in the game...and may turn into the greatest ever. Colston may not have made a pro bowl...but the guy is a stud and in many people's opinion (including my own) the greatest WR to ever put on a Saints uni. Moore and Henderson are both solid receivers...and Meachem was one of the best deep threats in the game. That does not even include Sproles and PT out of the backfield. If Daniels was QB I think that he would put up more than 3500 yards. Granted...he isn't anywhere close to the level that Brees is...but part of the reason why Brees is great is the talent around him and a brilliant offensive playcaller. Don't get me wrong...Brees is easily a top 5 QB...but the offense has plenty of talent around him.

Actually, we agree. Colston SHOULD have made the probowl many times. Brees has had Reggie Bush, Darren Sproles, and Pierre Thomas as first-rate backfield receivers. Henderson has greatly improved and now catches the ball anywhere on the field. The Saints' receivers are underrated, but Brees makes them the best they can be IMHO. He has had Shockey and now Graham as tight ends. I just see the whole situation with Brees and the receivers as symbiotic. They make each other better.

Getting back to the article, I wonder how many QBs drill after practice with their receivers. The talk about Roethlisberger and Eli Manning is laughable. Brees has the yardage record and nearly broke it before. He could well break Unitas's consecutive game with a TD pass record this year. What more do you want? His accuracy is unbelievable, as the Sportscience video shows. He has superior leadership skills over Roethlisberger and Eli, and I don't think that's worthy of any serious debate, though it's admittedly subjective to a certain extent. I haven't seen the stats, but it seems to me that he cut down his fumbling significantly last season.

How anyone can say that Rodgers and Peyton are clearly superior to Drew Brees is beyond me. All three are great QBs, but Brees has the records. What does that tell anyone with a brain?

 

[Domeination]

The dude hasn't watched Brees play much. He does not have great foot speed, and while the Saints do use some designed roll outs to get away from a particular blitzer, Brees' forte is climbing the pocket to buy time, not scrambling. But the reporter acts like Brees is more akin to Fran Tarkenton than Marino, when he's actually a lot more similar to Marino due to his lightning quick release (as quick or quicker than Marino's) and incredible accuracy (every bit as good as Marino's).

 

[Bartyboy]

No amount of accuracy can fix his glaring weakness. Be can't throw where he cant see. The entire middleof the field disappears when he's pressured.

You are forgetting how well he moves around so that was a snarky remark at best.