Going 1-4 over the previous 5 weeks isn't enough evidence for some sort of coaching change? (2 Viewers)

[Taker597]

I agree with moving on from Allen, even if PC goes with him, but moving on from PC and “keep doing what you’re doing” otherwise when players are publicly defending their play caller doesn’t make sense.

Kamara isn't defending anything and has been actively vocal about playcalling.

 

[Rouxble]

I mean... You have no choice but to defend him. You gonna publicly call out your coaches while they are still your coach? No thank you.

He is publicly calling out his QB while it is still his QB.

And again, if DA goes and PC goes with him, I’m all for it. Just changing the play caller when pretty much the entire WR corps appears to be disgruntled about getting open but not thrown to seems like the wrong move.

 

[sfidc3]

LSU brought in Pete Jenkins and LSUs d has gotten better. Carolina switched play callers from Reich. Try something, Rc first, then see what happens

I give credit for Kelly and staff fixing the oline issues, they are much improved....BUT, the D still needs a ton of work.....starting with scrapping the insane "lets use the best pass rusher in the nation....in coverage".....Perkins needs to line up on the LOS, almost all the time.....utter insanity....I think Jenkins may be trying to fix this, but House is a moron....

 

[Rouxble]

Kamara isn't defending anything and has been actively vocal about playcalling.

Most of Kamara’s statements were over interpreted in favor of PC being the target.

“We just run the plays that are called.”

Look at that play that MT points out. They ran the play that was called, but Carr did his own thing and went for a hero ball throw.

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

Most of Kamara’s statements were over interpreted in favor of PC being the target.

“We just run the plays that are called.”

Look at that play that MT points out. They ran the play that was called, but Carr did his own thing and went for a hero ball throw.

OK, then we need to be looking at the position coaching if the players are continually failing to execute!

These are things that should be identified in practice by position coaching:

• QB route progression
• Route running
• The O-line
• ID'ing blitz & Blitz pick-up

 

[not2rich]

The players seem to be defending their play caller, so I don’t think canning him is the right move.

MT after the Texans game:



And then MT this week more or less threw the QB under the bus when he said he didn’t go through his progression on that play where he threw it to the beer man in the stands.

I doubt any changes get made, but firing someone who has everyone’s support doesn’t seem like a way to put accountability where it belongs.

Deuce did a video on that play. Assuming Hill was read 1 and Thomas read 2, both of those were open. Yeah, Olave didn't do the best clear out but his route did what it was supposed to do. Throwing it in Olave's direction shouldn't have even been an option.

Same video he showed another play where Olave was wide open for what should have been a TD, but Carr checked it down to AK.

I'm not defending the play calling as a whole, but there were plays that would have been effective but for execution.

That said, I don't put too much stock in players defending coaches publicly. They aren't going to criticize their coaching to the media, even if they hold criticism.

 

[REBELMAX]

Good thread and good question by OP. We’re supposed to have a Playoff caliber roster and we’ve had a losing record over the last two years. Being 3-4 with the guys and the schedule we’ve played is almost not possible.

The real question is WHY hasn’t there been any attempt at changing anything ?

There is a reason for everything so what’s the reason. You’re season is on the brink in week 7 with a core of very talented players.

 

[Rouxble]

Deuce did a video on that play. Assuming Hill was read 1 and Thomas read 2, both of those were open. Yeah, Olave didn't do the best clear out but his route did what it was supposed to do. Throwing it in Olave's direction shouldn't have even been an option.

Same video he showed another play where Olave was wide open for what should have been a TD, but Carr checked it down to AK.

I'm not defending the play calling as a whole, but there were plays that would have been effective but for execution.

That said, I don't put too much stock in players defending coaches publicly. They aren't going to criticize their coaching to the media, even if they hold criticism.

It’s rare but it happens. Our QB is yelling at our OC after almost every drive, whether directed at him or not it’s not a good look. And the team doesn’t seem to agree, whatever his reasons are.

 

[HattiesburgWhoDat]

So the players are running the franchise now? Is that why Loomis is invisible?

At some point, SOME point, you have to understand that we need to move on from Allen. 18-42 doesnt happen with good coaches. You cant be 18-0, and your dumpster fire franchise and your players are 0-42. 42 out of 60 is a terribe coach. The excuses cant overcome 42 out of 60. It is what it is.

Player preparation reflects on the coach. Excusing away poor attention to detail and lack of discipline is not the right way. The head coach is responsible for all of that.

I have no earthly idea what anyone sees in Dennis Allen that he is STILL getting excuses after losing 42 of his 60 games as a head coach. It just defies, everything.

Yet many on this board say we have to throw out DA's Raider record because they were an inept franchise. Guess what? The last almost 1.5 seasons WE are inept franchise. The common denominator? Dennis Allen. He needs to fired and the sooner the better. As you said, he's not 18-0 and his players 0-42. He's an awful HC. Period.

 

[SigFreudianSlip]

Although I don’t think we’re as talented as some folks believe I do agree that the coaching is abysmally bad. Sadly I don’t think any moves will be made until after the season….

 

[TomThomster7]

It's pretty wild to me. Not even asking for anyone to get fired. Bring in an analyst, switch playcaller, or inquire about getting a consultant.

This is a playoff caliber team and we just gonna sit in the mud.

On point. Makes one think the owners have lost their passion for the organization, and are holding on to their money in today's very unstable national and world economy.
And I ain't happy about it.

 

[TomThomster7]

This reminds me of the years special teams was absolutely horrid. Some correctly identified McMahon as the problem, but many kept saying it was the players not making the correct plays or not preparing well enough.

It muddied the waters until McMahon was finally fired, an miraculously special teams turned around and became a strength.

There’s too much talent on the offense for this to be a strictly player problem. The common denominator has been Pete. We can turnover the entire offensive player roster, and they will still struggle with constant player confusion until the rot infecting the offense is finally let go.

Common denominator is Allen.
If Pete is a problem, then the resolution of this problem is on DA.

 

[TomThomster7]

Although I don’t think we’re as talented as some folks believe I do agree that the coaching is abysmally bad. Sadly I don’t think any moves will be made until after the season….

Mad that it appears nothing will be done this season regarding the state of our underperforming team.
Why is this the case? I mentioned the owners holding on to their money.
If it isn't finances, why would the front office not show the fans that they are aware of the team's struggles and are working on correcting them? Is it simply that they believe the team has the right people to produce a quality product on the field and that the coaches and players will work it all out eventually?
What is it?

 

[AmerVet]

watching teams execute plays that we can't seem to get going is depressing. Really does make you feel like it's only you.

 

[SigFreudianSlip]

Mad that it appears nothing will be done this season regarding the state of our underperforming team.
Why is this the case? I mentioned the owners holding on to their money.
If it isn't finances, why would the front office not show the fans that they are aware of the team's struggles and are working on correcting them? Is it simply that they believe the team has the right people to produce a quality product on the field and that the coaches and players will work it all out eventually?
What is it?

Good question and I wish I knew the answer.
If I had to guess it’s that Gayle is hands off, the top executives are fat and happy and not at all worried about the product or job security.