Haener film looks better than Young. (2 Viewers)

But this comment you made sounds biased-

As much as I want Haener to be a stud and future starter, he was not better than Young coming out of high school and could not win the job in Washington. He is not the better prospect coming into the NFL. He played at Fresno State. There is no way to compare him to Young given that level of competition. While he did not have the supporting cast that Young had, he also did not have to play against the defenses that Young had to. The knock on Young is his size and Haener has the same issue. So, to compare the two is fruitless. Let's just hope for the Saints' sake that your estimation of his potential is spot on. I would love that.
The knock on both Young and Haener is size (or lack thereof). That knock didn't deter Carolina from trading up to draft Young number 1 overall. While Haener can apparently negotiate the pocket to avoid sacks pretty well, he is not mobile. Young has mobility which is different.
 
Arm strength is not the most important attribute of a good QB. While it's probably in the top 10, I think accuracy is in the top 2.
agree with this statement. i'd prefer the complete package, but we seldom see those prospects....seems like every prospect has a "fatal flaw", as evidenced by the failure rate of early round QBs. I'll give later round QBs a pass, as they had flaws that dropped them into those later rounds; but were identified as having "potential" to overcome those flaws. Early round QBs are early rounders because you believe they WILL develop into successful starting QBs in the league.

I think everyone is looking for the same things in a QB, but probably rank the criteria differently. My opinion doesn't mean squat in the NFL, but here's what I want to see in a QB prospect, in the order of importance:

  • the mental acumen to "read" a defense and process information QUICKLY...."on the fly"; knowing how the defense is LIKELY to react is a very valuable advantage to be exploited; if the D is in a perfect situation to neutralize the play called in the huddle, an audible into a more advantageous play that flips the script back into the offense's favor is perhaps the most important skill any QB can possess
  • accuracy. who cares if the QB can throw the ball 75 yards in the air if he misses the receiver, or the receiver simply can't catch it. I'd rather have a guy who is limited on arm strength (no cannon required) but consistently flirts with a 65%-70% completion ratio, than a big-armed QB who is challenged to achieve a 60% ratio.
  • leadership. it probably goes without saying that if a QB is worthy of being drafted into the NFL, they have leadership qualities. but I'm looking for a guy who has elevated the play of the other positions around him. other players are being noticed for their play because the QB is putting THEM into a position to succeed. and when that happens, those players BELIEVE in their QB and will go to greater lengths to support him. we often hear of a "lack of supporting cast" around a QB, and maybe that is true. but you can only play with the guys you've got on the roster. speculating what could've been with better players is just an exercise of speculation. a rising tide lifts all boats. when I refer to leadership, i'm referring to a "rising tide."
  • mobility. i want a guy who is mobile enough to scramble out of danger when the pocket is breaking down, extending the play long enough for one of his guys to have a chance at making a play. but not so mobile, and GOOD, at scrambling that his over-riding instinct is to take off and run at the first sign of trouble down the field.
  • room for "growth." as far as can be determined, he hasn't peaked yet. he's demonstrated "growth" in his game...increased abilities in the above mentioned characteristics, perhaps indicating that he hasn't already "maxed out" his potential. i'm not interested in a guy who views being drafted into the NFL as having "made it" and is satiated with the achievement. i want the guy who views being drafted as "taking the next step" towards his career goals. if he has a chip on his shoulder, and maybe has leanings towards retribution for perceived disrespect by others, even better...

I think Haener has all of this, so I like the selection. My biggest concerns are his diminutive size (could be an issue of durabilty against bigger, faster, and stronger NFL players) and his "room for growth." If he's already maxed out, we're probably looking at a solid career for a journeyman backup QB. If he still has room for growth (other than physical tools), that reduces his issues of concern to his size; and we are seeing a wave of QBs in the NFL (DB9, Russell Wilson, Kyler Murray, Bryce Young are just some of the "top" small players) that are indicating that size isn't as big of a deal as it used to be.

I have no idea what Haener WILL be in this league, but I like the make-up and I like his chances. I'm interested to find out what he can do with his opportunity!
 
Hello

Official Haener Fan club here, glad to see everyone!
 
Not biased at all, Jeff Ireland asked that same question. He did not even remotely close to have the supporting cast that Young had. In fact, Jake was the only player drafted from Fresno St this yr. There are dozens of very good to great QB's that played at small schools where the competition was not elite. Would you have dissed Terry Bradshaw, Joe Flacco,Steve McNair or Roethlisberger because they didn't play in the SEC ?
How many of those were under 6 feet and drafted in the 4th round? Look, I hope he becomes a star and I am certainly pulling for him. But I think we need to tap the brakes a little before declaring him as good or better than the top pick on the draft before he ever steps on an NFL football field.
 
The knock on both Young and Haener is size (or lack thereof). That knock didn't deter Carolina from trading up to draft Young number 1 overall. While Haener can apparently negotiate the pocket to avoid sacks pretty well, he is not mobile. Young has mobility which is different.
Check out this video @ the 1:15 mark and tell me Haener is not mobile .Also there are some examples of him throwing deep passes in the vid
 
Really? Also, did you take into account the quality of opponents? My concern with Haener is that when I see him, he just seems so small (and a very small frame). He looks even smaller than Young to me. I am excited to see him in the preseason, but some seem to be expecting a lot out him him right away.
Haener is 2" taller and 6lbs heavier than Young
 
How many of those were under 6 feet and drafted in the 4th round? Look, I hope he becomes a star and I am certainly pulling for him. But I think we need to tap the brakes a little before declaring him as good or better than the top pick on the draft before he ever steps on an NFL football field.
First you say Haener is from a small school and didn't play against top competition and I gave you just a few very successful QB's that came from small schools. Now it's how many were under 6 ft ( and Haener is 6ft not under like Bryce Young) drafted in the 4th round. LOL I'm guessing that there has never been a QB under 6ft drafted in the 4th round. What's next? How many QB's under 6ft that were drafted in the 4th from California on a rainy day? I am NOT saying that he's the next Brees, I'm saying from watching this guy for a couple yrs now that he has 80% of the qualities that are important to be a very good QB in the NFL . Plus he's one tough lil SOB. Watch the UCLA game and you'll see, and that's against quality competition
 
agree with this statement. i'd prefer the complete package, but we seldom see those prospects....seems like every prospect has a "fatal flaw", as evidenced by the failure rate of early round QBs. I'll give later round QBs a pass, as they had flaws that dropped them into those later rounds; but were identified as having "potential" to overcome those flaws. Early round QBs are early rounders because you believe they WILL develop into successful starting QBs in the league.

I think everyone is looking for the same things in a QB, but probably rank the criteria differently. My opinion doesn't mean squat in the NFL, but here's what I want to see in a QB prospect, in the order of importance:

  • the mental acumen to "read" a defense and process information QUICKLY...."on the fly"; knowing how the defense is LIKELY to react is a very valuable advantage to be exploited; if the D is in a perfect situation to neutralize the play called in the huddle, an audible into a more advantageous play that flips the script back into the offense's favor is perhaps the most important skill any QB can possess
  • accuracy. who cares if the QB can throw the ball 75 yards in the air if he misses the receiver, or the receiver simply can't catch it. I'd rather have a guy who is limited on arm strength (no cannon required) but consistently flirts with a 65%-70% completion ratio, than a big-armed QB who is challenged to achieve a 60% ratio.
  • leadership. it probably goes without saying that if a QB is worthy of being drafted into the NFL, they have leadership qualities. but I'm looking for a guy who has elevated the play of the other positions around him. other players are being noticed for their play because the QB is putting THEM into a position to succeed. and when that happens, those players BELIEVE in their QB and will go to greater lengths to support him. we often hear of a "lack of supporting cast" around a QB, and maybe that is true. but you can only play with the guys you've got on the roster. speculating what could've been with better players is just an exercise of speculation. a rising tide lifts all boats. when I refer to leadership, i'm referring to a "rising tide."
  • mobility. i want a guy who is mobile enough to scramble out of danger when the pocket is breaking down, extending the play long enough for one of his guys to have a chance at making a play. but not so mobile, and GOOD, at scrambling that his over-riding instinct is to take off and run at the first sign of trouble down the field.
  • room for "growth." as far as can be determined, he hasn't peaked yet. he's demonstrated "growth" in his game...increased abilities in the above mentioned characteristics, perhaps indicating that he hasn't already "maxed out" his potential. i'm not interested in a guy who views being drafted into the NFL as having "made it" and is satiated with the achievement. i want the guy who views being drafted as "taking the next step" towards his career goals. if he has a chip on his shoulder, and maybe has leanings towards retribution for perceived disrespect by others, even better...

I think Haener has all of this, so I like the selection. My biggest concerns are his diminutive size (could be an issue of durabilty against bigger, faster, and stronger NFL players) and his "room for growth." If he's already maxed out, we're probably looking at a solid career for a journeyman backup QB. If he still has room for growth (other than physical tools), that reduces his issues of concern to his size; and we are seeing a wave of QBs in the NFL (DB9, Russell Wilson, Kyler Murray, Bryce Young are just some of the "top" small players) that are indicating that size isn't as big of a deal as it used to be.

I have no idea what Haener WILL be in this league, but I like the make-up and I like his chances. I'm interested to find out what he can do with his opportunity!
He passes my eye test, but I haven't seen him under pressure yet so I have to be very cautious with my optimism.
 
He passes my eye test, but I haven't seen him under pressure yet so I have to be very cautious with my optimism.
I'm right there with you Bobad...cautiously optimistic about him, but realistic that he's done NOTHING in the NFL yet.

With that said, I think Haener is a "more likely" prospect than some other QBs who were drafted higher. I won't wish bad on anyone, but if the draft process is analogous to "betting" on a prospects future success; and the earlier they're drafted, the bigger the bet, there's NO WAY I'd have drafted Richardson in the 1st...let alone top 5; and Levis would STILL be sitting in the green room.

Keep in mind, I'm not suggesting that I think Haener WILL be a better QB than those 2. I'm suggesting it is MORE LIKELY that the Haener bet pays off, even if it's a smaller amount. I like the odds on this one. We've potentially got a future starting QB on our hands, about the time DC4's contract expires. If that doesn't pan out, I think we'll have a SOLID backup QB on a cheap rookie contract. If he's a bust, we're out a 4th rounder. Those are some damn good risk/reward scenarios, IMO! Let's get it on!
 
Never claimed otherwise. I just think it matters.
John Madden once said if you can throw the 15 yd out,you can play in the NFL. I also remember a interview from
former Titans GM Floyd Reese. He told Jim Rome the reason Danny Wuerffel wasn't on his draft board was he
couldn't throw that pass.
 

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