How Conflicted Are You In Winning or Getting a Better Draft Pick (5 Viewers)

[JPSaints87]

I, for one, want us to go out swinging until we are officially eliminated from the playoffs contention. We might not end up with a winning or decent record, but we fought.

Secondly, I have mixed feelings of finishing with a high your draft pick due to Mickey's lack of success at drafting players. (Other than the historic 2017 draft class)

 

[guillermo]

I feel the higher the draft pick the easier it will be to find a GM and Head Coach....

We win out the rest of this season Loomis probably stays and gives Rizzi a shot.... Which will do nothing but prolong this agonizing run of mediocrity.... I rather have a season or two where we in the top 3 in the draft.... look at what happen the last time we had a top 3 pick..... time to clean house remodel throw some fresh paint and start another run too another Super Bowl Journey....

How do you know?

What makes you think that Rizzi is not qualified to be a good head coach?

 

[RaginCajun83]

I want them to win as many games as they can before the end of the season

 

[St. Widge]

No conflict for me I want to win. Losing is an uninvited culture. Look at the Bears, Carolina, Miami, Cleveland. Most of the time these teams are bad and go nowhere. The team that Sucked for Luck, got him. But after a while he stepped away because that team was incompetent in getting a line to protect him.

Agreed. This is why I never get people who want to just blow it up. It very occasionally works but most of the time teams who rebound from top 5 picks who are teams that just had a terrible year due to injuries and already had a solid base roster. On the other hand there are teams like the Bears, Panthers, Jets, and Browns that have been picking at the top of the draft for years and have never gone anywhere despite taking several QBs that were supposed to be the best or one of the best in their classes.

Blowing it up is never a guarantee that you build back and more times than not a team stays blown up for a decade or two. I'd much prefer to have a mediocre team with a solid base roster that is one or two good drafts or one great QB away from contending than blow it up and then take 3 or 4 years to hope to have a mediocre team again.

 

[kwkrnu]

I'm not conflicted at all. This season is OVER. Stick a fork in em, they're done. The most logical direction would be to salvage what they can from it, and maximize opportunity and potential for the next head coach.

OR, continue to win, not go to the playoffs, and get a mid to late mid round draft pick....again....

Yeah....not conflicted at all.

 

[Kegger]

You give it your all and try to win every game, or else you'll develop a culture of losing. High draft picks won't fix that.

 

[Shuttle2moon]

If we play the way we played Vs ATL, no playoff bound team will want to play us.

 

[St.Dan]

Perhaps a non-sequitur on the surface, but a list of the Saints' best drafts ever, in chronological order, is in order.

1981, 1986, 2006, 2017.

The small handful of truly elite draft classes means you'll always have busts here and there. It's a function of the business. It's fairly tough to have more than two guys each year truly become what you'd call a "keeper." And so since the FO hasn't blown up the entire thing just yet -- and at this point doesn't figure to, outside of the head coach position -- it's good to have essentially clinched at least a middle-of-the-pack selection in the first round. I think we'll end up picking between fifth and tenth.

Interestingly, the first three of those four super-elite years were the first drafts for the coach at the time (Phillips, Mora and Payton).

 

[AARPSaint]

Hoping your team will lose just seems weird to me, despite the obvious draft advantage it MIGHT provide. When you have a constantly trading up GM, it seems really counterproductive to put your trust in the draft.

As far as the incoming head coach is concerned, wouldn’t that person prefer a team that finishes strong? That’s an example of hope, grit, and potential.

The quality of the draft depends upon how talented the draft class is, and what positions the most talented players happen to be in. For instance, if the 2025 quarterbacks aren’t that great, why on earth would you want to draft one early? That kind of move is called a reach, Marcus Davenport as my “favorite” example of reaching due to need.

Don’t give up; don’t trade up.

 

[Covington Saint]

Hoping your team will lose just seems weird to me, despite the obvious draft advantage it MIGHT provide. When you have a constantly trading up GM, it seems really counterproductive to put your trust in the draft.

As far as the incoming head coach is concerned, wouldn’t that person prefer a team that finishes strong? That’s an example of hope, grit, and potential.

The quality of the draft depends upon how talented the draft class is, and what positions the most talented players happen to be in. For instance, if the 2025 quarterbacks aren’t that great, why on earth would you want to draft one early? That kind of move is called a reach, Marcus Davenport as my “favorite” example of reaching due to need.

Don’t give up; don’t trade up.

i'm pretty sure its inarguable drafting top 5 is a superior advantage to drafting in the 10-16 range.

 

[sfidc3]

I want them to win as many games as they can before the end of the season

Same here, the draft is a crapshoot anyways.....I just want the team to play hard, and hopefully we get some W's out of it....

 

[SuperSaint]

Teams that draft well can find talent wherever they're slotted in the draft.

I'm more interested in winning.

That, and it's much harder to tank in the NFL with 11 players on the field at a time, as opposed to just five in the NBA.

 

[jasonsw]

Agreed. This is why I never get people who want to just blow it up. It very occasionally works but most of the time teams who rebound from top 5 picks who are teams that just had a terrible year due to injuries and already had a solid base roster. On the other hand there are teams like the Bears, Panthers, Jets, and Browns that have been picking at the top of the draft for years and have never gone anywhere despite taking several QBs that were supposed to be the best or one of the best in their classes.

Blowing it up is never a guarantee that you build back and more times than not a team stays blown up for a decade or two. I'd much prefer to have a mediocre team with a solid base roster that is one or two good drafts or one great QB away from contending than blow it up and then take 3 or 4 years to hope to have a mediocre team again.

Yep and the last two dynasties NE and KC didn't blow up.thier teams, nor has Pittsburgh ever done it or GB and Baltimore . They believe in winning and continued excellence

 

[Paul]

No conflict. I want the Saints to win by 50+ every week. I want the opposing teams to crap their knickers because they’re getting their arses destroyed by our team. Sure, the draft matters - we’ve gotten some great players via the draft over the years, but when I’m watching this team play, I don’t think about that, I don’t think about the record - I just want them to win.
The Falcons were flying high coming in this past Sunday. The best in the South! The Saints humbled them.
Man, sit y’all feathered arses down!

 

[3ParStillDriver]

Yep and the last two dynasties NE and KC didn't blow up.thier teams, nor has Pittsburgh ever done it or GB and Baltimore . They believe in winning and continued excellence

KC did blow it up. They had a GM that went from Herm Edwards, to Todd Haley, to Romeo Crennel at head coach. In 2013 they fired the GM, Veach took the job and brought in Andy Reid. Many don't know it but Veach was the GM for the Eagles for a large stint of time that Reid was Head Coach there.

The couple of years Reid started in KC, they went through some big changes. They brought in Alex Smith as Reid searched for his franchise QB (Mahomes in 2017), they let Tony G and Charles finish their career because they are Chiefs legends, but mostly everyone else was replaced over two years.

EDIT : Thinking on it, I believe Poe and Houston were also kept around.