How would you feel with Jaxson Dart at 9? (79 Viewers)

[Covington Saint]

It's easy to not be the offensive head coach and scream dart at 9 is too much of a reach. Sure, everything in my bone wants to agree with that. BUT BUT bUT, if Kellen Moore is sitting here pounding the table and saying this is my guy.... it creates quite the dilemma.

 

[Boy_of_wonder75]

So, you would take your future starting QB ( if that’s your guy) at the end of the first round but not earlier. Ranking picks is a crapshoot, losing your guy to another team ( ie Mahommes) can set you back years just as picking the wrong guy can also. I just wanted to start a conversation to show the complete buy in on the consensus of “ know it all” draft geeks. QBs are really a class by themselves, Purdy was almost undrafted, Brady was 6th round and no one knew how they would play until the bullets starting flying.

Why do you believe Jaxson (ugh) is going to amount to anything in the NFL?

 

[Covington Saint]

Why do you believe Jaxson (ugh) is going to amount to anything in the NFL?

the assumption of the thread is that kellen moore obviously believes differently.

 

[3ParStillDriver]

Just FYI, Mahomes was not 'our guy'. He was not a target and was expected by the team to go earlier than our pick.

If you look at the history of this team and how they aggressively trade up for someone they've targeted pre-draft, this tells you they had no plans to draft Mahomes, unless he dropped in their laps. Which he didn't.

So all this woulda, coulda, shoulda that people love to propagate is just more of that hindsight criticism they seem compelled to dream up.

To be fair, the Saints were delighted enough teams reached for dreadful WR prospects to drop Lattimore down to us. Glad they did.

It's been confirmed by Payton the attempted trade up was for Mahomes.

 

[Boy_of_wonder75]

the assumption of the thread is that kellen moore obviously believes differently.

Based upon...?

 

[MikeyF]

Would rather not invest a top 10 pick asset on a non-elite QB that doesn’t check all the proverbial boxes.
If we stay put, I’d prefer a round 2 guy if we absolutely must draft someone and someone we like is there.
Too much better, potentially elite talent at other positions to gamble on a QB at 9 just for the sake of needing/wanting a good young QB.

Clickbait speculation but interesting!
Dan Orlovsky's comments on incoming rookie QB take on a new light

 

[Covington Saint]

Based upon...?

based upon the hypothetical of the thread bro.

"If Moore took Dart at 9"

 

[TribuneUK]

It's been confirmed by Payton the attempted trade up was for Mahomes.

I've seen multiple variations of this story over the years, so much so that I probably need someone to post where that's actually reported, by any credible news agency. Would be great, thanks, as last time I asked, all I got was hearsay and scuttlebutt.

The version I'm aware of, as reported, mentions no trade up. Just that they were ready to take him at #11 when their turn came.

 

[3ParStillDriver]

I don't think people were laughing at Payton...
Every NFL talking head knew the Broncos needed a QB.

What people didn't expect was the improvement Payton was able to get out of Bo Nix in his rookie year!
Bo Nix play was pretty bad in his first 3 starts...
Payton definitely showed this year that he is a good coach & that he can win without Drew Brees as his QB.

Theres a thread that says differently. https://saintsreport.com/threads/2024-nfl-draft-round-1.506782/page-71#post-9543989

Quite literally people saying it was the biggest reach of the draft, another saying he's just throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks. etc etc

 

[3ParStillDriver]

I've seen multiple variations of this story over the years, so much so that I probably need someone to post where that's actually reported, by any credible news agency. Would be great, thanks, as last time I asked, all I got was hearsay and scuttlebutt.

The version I'm aware of, as reported, mentions no trade up. Just that they were ready to take him at #11 when their turn came.

You're right. It was so long ago I mis-remembered. Mahomes was their first choice however but the Chiefs traded up just before to snipe him. Heres Payton himself talking openly about it. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...-before-chiefs-traded-up-it-was-gonna-happen/

 

[MikeyF]

I've seen multiple variations of this story over the years, so much so that I probably need someone to post where that's actually reported, by any credible news agency. Would be great, thanks, as last time I asked, all I got was hearsay and scuttlebutt.

The version I'm aware of, as reported, mentions no trade up. Just that they were ready to take him at #11 when their turn came.

 

[Nightshade]

I've seen multiple variations of this story over the years, so much so that I probably need someone to post where that's actually reported, by any credible news agency. Would be great, thanks, as last time I asked, all I got was hearsay and scuttlebutt.

The version I'm aware of, as reported, mentions no trade up. Just that they were ready to take him at #11 when their turn came.

That's what I've seen and Mahommes had already been informed the Saints were taking him at 11 and when contacted by the Chiefs he told then that so they traded up to jump us.

QB is risky even in the 1st round i think I read the succes rate is 49.2% on QBs drafted in the 1st

 

[St. Geezy]

It's easy to not be the offensive head coach and scream dart at 9 is too much of a reach. Sure, everything in my bone wants to agree with that. BUT BUT bUT, if Kellen Moore is sitting here pounding the table and saying this is my guy.... it creates quite the dilemma.

Well, yeah. All of these fan draft discussions are predicated on actual team draft grades. None of us to my knowledge are actually doing the sort of scientific film study and scouting work on these guys to make firm judgments.

It’s more about ideas about certain guys, certain positions, and certain reputation levels based on the media reports. If Dart had been getting mocked in the top 5 to 10 by the media for the past few months all this time, no one would bat an eye at a thread like this.

If Moore is pounding the table and we pick him, it likely means all the work has been done and we agreed the player’s value deserved to be picked that high.

I personally want Ashton Jeanty…but that’s only if the team has him graded out at as a player worthy of picking that high. I’m hoping he is, but I’m not doing the work necessary to say without a doubt he is or isn’t.

 

[3ParStillDriver]

Why do you believe Jaxson (ugh) is going to amount to anything in the NFL?

He's rumored to be the best in this draft at reading defenses pre-snap, a quality that is currently lacking even in the NFL and has for some time. He also has really good accuracy and can zip the ball when he wants to, but often chooses to throw "catchable balls". He can also scramble and run well. The knock and the reason he's a late bloomer in draft talk is because a lot of people didn't watch him and see what he was, vs what was happening. Ole Miss had some very terrible play calling and rather then challenge Lane Kiffen, he tried to make the system and play calling work. But it wasn't happening to a high level. The offense was far too devoid of talent. Their Oline was bad. Their RB was always struggling. It was really just Dart, Harris and somewhat Wells Jr making everything happen on offense. And yet they still managed to finish 11th in ranking from it all. Large part due to Dart, Harris and the front 7 on defense keeping the score low enough so an offense devoid of talent could make things happen (which Dart did despite the offense lacking talent and bad play calling).

There's a decent chance here that if an offensive genius similar to Payton gets their hands on him at the NFL level, he could be better than Bo Nix.

 

[limeyjohn]

Dear sweet baby Jesus, please make someone pick him at # 8